My guess is it's a cylinder bore gun. FliteControl doesn't require any choke at all to hold a tight pattern though that video was shot at 15' which doesn't require FliteControl in my experience with load/pattern tests.
Federal makes other loads (though identical to the law enforcement stuff) labeled as Person Defense or even just VitalShok with FliteControl. Also in my experience, anything with FliteControl has been clearly labeled where the load in the video isn't. I'm not saying it isn't using the FliteControl, it could be an older box from a time when the FliteControl was only marketed to law enforcement. Currently however, anything using FliteControl is going to be clearly marked.
I have some Federal Premium 4 buck without FliteControl I'd be very comfortable using. While close range wouldn't require it to be choked, I do have a choked gun which patterns well to 40 yards even without FliteControl. In that case though we're not talking about home defense.
big differenceThat's a big difference in spread going from 15 to 20 yards.
think about his statement....no reasoning at all just a true stement......it doubled in 5 yards, a big difference.....you flight control guys are so sensitiveReally? At 15 yards I see about a 4" spread. At 20 yards I see a 9 or 10" spread.
Looks reasonable to me.
Besides, 5 yards is about the max for typical home defense.
the flight control cup opens fins , it keeps pellets together longer in flight.....if the cup didn't open or provide some sort of drag the pellets would never exit the cup and act like a fragmenting slug upon impact.Hey this Flite Control stuff is all new to me, but it sounds pretty cool. I read all about how they developed a new wad that doesn't open up but instead just gets left behind. Pretty cool stuff.
I have heard of people using things like wax to cast the pellets together instead of using a plastic shot cup.
I keep reading about pellet deformation and how it screws up the ballistics, but I don't have a clue how you can smash all those pellets together with gunpowder and not deform them.
Could this give some ballistic advantage to harder shot like steel shot or bronze shot, in spite of lower density?
^^^good info Mr. Oli.
In the absence of FliteControl I use a choke but what we're talking about here is HD and unless that extends to your outdoor property, it probably will make little difference as I've found that inside 7 yards, nearly every load makes a single hole.
can you clarify? I'm interested in this......or at least a video of you doing itIt also just occurred to me that with a double barrel shotgun I can muzzle load anything I want. All I need is some powder, primers and some spent brass.
Were those 12ga mags or 20 ga 2.5"?
Or what?
Thankfully I've never had to shoot a human, but I've shot 00 buckshot into a moose, and birdshot at birds and bunnies.
My current gun is 16ga, and short, with no chokes. All I have shot with it so far is dirt and paper; and the pattern is really, really big at 10 ft.
Like a 20"+ circle with 50 little pellets.
(Shooting #7 & #8 shot)
Its a little denser with #4, but doesnt look satisfyingly deadly enough to the untrained eye.
If I have to shoot someone twice, I want it to be because I missed the first time. Not because the pattern was weak.
Birdshot:
http://blog.thenewstribune.com/crime/2012/06/19/man-shot-in-face-in-tacoma/
Birdshot:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney_hunting_incident
Birdshot:
http://warriortimes.com/2011/06/26/...y-attackers-at-his-door-armed-with-bird-shot/
Birdshot:
Sorry if I've made the horrible decision to use lethal force.... that's what I'm using.... lethal force.
You know what I don't have to do? Justify the stopping power and lethality of 00 buck shot.
can you clarify? I'm interested in this......or at least a video of you doing it
All of those links are irrelevant to what I said. Sawed off shotguns? Dove load? Distances of 30 yards? I'm only referring to #4 size, and 0-10 foot distances with unaltered shotguns. #4 shot is only half the size of #4 buck, which is again only about half the size of #00 buck. Why do you feel the need to be sorry for your decision to use lethal force, and what does 00 buck shot have to do with that? ANY load in a shot gun is considered lethal force by law, and while you don't have to justify the lethality of 00 buck (nobody is debating that so you can chill out on that one batman), you will have to justify unintended injuries or casualties of the family next door to you (thanks to that stray 00buck pellet which pays no mind to the layers of wimpy sheetrock it had to pass through), which by the way, are unjustifiable. If you live alone out in the woods, good for you, use a railgun for all I care if it's what makes you good, I'm not trying to infringe on your rights, tell you what to do, or make you feel any less a man. I simply said i've seen #4 shot at close range do horribly gruesome things to a person and that it shouldn't be discounted as a potential HD load in certain situations (like when you have people sleeping in the room behind the intruder you are about to shoot).
thats cool, you got to try thatWell I've never done it and I've only seen videos of it done, but it seems pretty easy.
I think this will work with any break action shotgun.
You trim the plastic off some high brass hulls, clean them up and insert new primers.
You put those homemade caps in the gun and close the breach.
Ram your black powder down the muzzle with a patch.
Ram your shot or ball in with another patch, and that's it.
Unlike a muzzleloader you clean it through the breach and you don't need a ball puller or such. Just a suitable ramrod.
This guy shows you how to do it with a single shot.