In the "Good Morning" thread I found the following posted by @MikeD :
Good morning!!
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On a more serious note, we had a homicide on my street over the holiday. A woman was found dead in her bouse on Monday and it is now ruled a homicide.
Some detectives came to my house after noticing my cameras.
Apparently I am the only one that they found who still had footage going back to Thanksgiving. We reviewed a small amount hoping to see a person of interest on the street. They said they may be back to look some more but I have not heard back from them or the state police crime lab (who they said may be in contact with me) Hopefully it is an isolated incident amoungst people that knew each other. They have not released much yet that I have seen. I'm assuming that no followup means they decided there was not enough value in whatever I may have captured. This took place at the far end of the street which is actually a different city from my end.
They guy they were looking to see is a guy that is frequently in the neighborhood looking for odd jobs. Not sure if he is an actual suspect or just someone that may have some knowledge. Either way, this is just another reminder of how bad things are declining in the area.
Stay alert and safe out there!
Edit: One of the detectives asked to take the DVR tonight. Hopefully they can get what they need off of it.
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First of all I commend you, Mike, in your efforts to help with the investigation.
I'd like to hear more about how access to your video system was handled.
My concern is that access to technology demanded by the government or law enforcement without warrants and PC are common and overreaching.
The pieces of our lives that we kept in the old days on papers such as letters. financial data, personal and medical info, contacts, and other private matters do now reside on portable electronic media. Everybody has phones, pads, watches, monitors, GPS, automotive recordings that are constantly recording every aspect of our lives.
I believe these aspects are protected under the meaning of "papers."
Judge Andrew Napolitano [Fox News] takes the even more liberal [in the good sense] view that your tech machines are indeed "effects" mentioned in the 4th Am.
So, to you, Mike, and all the others that may have experience in this matter.
- Have you ever had your personal electronic effects [effectronics © ] used by the govt?
- How was the request proffered?
- Was there written paper work? Warrants or letters or receipts?
- If you hesitated, resisted, or refused how was that met?
- How far would your refusal go if you absolutely DID NOT WANT them to review your effectronics?
- Would you insist that viewing be done in your presence?
- Would you insist that you could edit video or albums to only pertinent info to protect the personal?
- Would you have a lawyer protect your interests?
There are many more questions and opinions that will come out of discussions on this subject in the near future.
Remember in the San Bernardino shootings 2 years ago there was a big stink about Apple Inc. refusing to help hack the data protection on the perps phones? As much as I would have loved for the info to be available, I agree w/ Apple in their refusal. If I buy a phone from a vendor w/ their promise and my expectation of privacy, I would be very upset if they breached that promise.
Good morning!!
...
On a more serious note, we had a homicide on my street over the holiday. A woman was found dead in her bouse on Monday and it is now ruled a homicide.
Some detectives came to my house after noticing my cameras.
Apparently I am the only one that they found who still had footage going back to Thanksgiving. We reviewed a small amount hoping to see a person of interest on the street. They said they may be back to look some more but I have not heard back from them or the state police crime lab (who they said may be in contact with me) Hopefully it is an isolated incident amoungst people that knew each other. They have not released much yet that I have seen. I'm assuming that no followup means they decided there was not enough value in whatever I may have captured. This took place at the far end of the street which is actually a different city from my end.
They guy they were looking to see is a guy that is frequently in the neighborhood looking for odd jobs. Not sure if he is an actual suspect or just someone that may have some knowledge. Either way, this is just another reminder of how bad things are declining in the area.
Stay alert and safe out there!
Edit: One of the detectives asked to take the DVR tonight. Hopefully they can get what they need off of it.
_____________________________________________________
First of all I commend you, Mike, in your efforts to help with the investigation.
I'd like to hear more about how access to your video system was handled.
My concern is that access to technology demanded by the government or law enforcement without warrants and PC are common and overreaching.
The pieces of our lives that we kept in the old days on papers such as letters. financial data, personal and medical info, contacts, and other private matters do now reside on portable electronic media. Everybody has phones, pads, watches, monitors, GPS, automotive recordings that are constantly recording every aspect of our lives.
I believe these aspects are protected under the meaning of "papers."
Judge Andrew Napolitano [Fox News] takes the even more liberal [in the good sense] view that your tech machines are indeed "effects" mentioned in the 4th Am.
So, to you, Mike, and all the others that may have experience in this matter.
- Have you ever had your personal electronic effects [effectronics © ] used by the govt?
- How was the request proffered?
- Was there written paper work? Warrants or letters or receipts?
- If you hesitated, resisted, or refused how was that met?
- How far would your refusal go if you absolutely DID NOT WANT them to review your effectronics?
- Would you insist that viewing be done in your presence?
- Would you insist that you could edit video or albums to only pertinent info to protect the personal?
- Would you have a lawyer protect your interests?
There are many more questions and opinions that will come out of discussions on this subject in the near future.
Remember in the San Bernardino shootings 2 years ago there was a big stink about Apple Inc. refusing to help hack the data protection on the perps phones? As much as I would have loved for the info to be available, I agree w/ Apple in their refusal. If I buy a phone from a vendor w/ their promise and my expectation of privacy, I would be very upset if they breached that promise.
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