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PA Members, You Need To Contact Your State Senator

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Ok folks, we are close to giving our state preemption law some teeth. As it stands, communities know they can pass illegal gun laws that violate the state preemption law with little that us peons can do about it. If you are charged with violating an illegal law or want the law overturned you need to pony up the dough and fight it in court. PA HB-1243 passed the house today with 3/4 of them voting in support. This bill will permit an organization like the NRA to take it to court and the loser is required to pay all legal fees. If we can get it to pass these illegally made gun laws will vanish like a fart in the wind. I have been calling reps lately and it passed there. Now we need the Senate to take up the bill and vote it through without any amendments. Please contact your Senator and voice support HB-1243.

Locate your Senator:
http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/home/findyourlegislator/

PA FOA Thread:
http://forum.pafoa.org/pennsylvania...11-pre-emption-updated-post-89-a-page-31.html

personal contact by Phone calls and snail mail (faxes) are much more effective to get your message to HBG senators than emails arecontact info for Senate Judiciary Committee

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/...=39&CteeBody=S


Senator Stewart Greenleaf (R) chairman JC (717) 787-6599 sgreenleaf@pasen.gov
note up for re election in 2014 IF Greenleaf is your senator twist arm as required to run HB 1243

Senator Joseph Scarnati (R) leader of senate - President Pro Tempore (717) 787-7084 everyone must call & or write Scarnati
very supportive on 2ndA.... he still needs to hear from US! jscarnati@pasen.gov

Senator Gene Yaw (R) (717) 787-3280 gyaw@pasen.gov

Senator John Gordner (R) (717) 787-8928 jgordner@pasen.gov

Senator John Eichelberger (R) (717) 787-5490 jeichelberger@pasen.gov

Senator John Rafferty (R) (717) 787-1398 jrafferty@pasen.gov

Senator Randy Vulakovich (R) (717) 787-6538 rvulakovich@pasen.gov

Senator Richard Alloway (R) (717) 787-4651 alloway@pasen.gov

Senator Lisa Boscola (D) (717) 787-4236 boscola@pasenate.com

Senator Andrew Dinniman (D) (717) 787-5709 andy@pasenate.com

Senator Dominic Pileggi (R) (717) 787-4712 swings lots of weight in senate from holding past leadership position of senate dpileggi@pasen.gov
 
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Thanks guys! Where are you PA Mossberg Owners?

If it helps inspire anyone to pick up a phone, Cease Fire Pa (Bloomburg affiliated group) stands to lose a lot of traction if this goes through. They are the ones that have gone to smaller cities and communities and convinced them to pass illegal gun laws knowing it would be almost impossible for regular citizens to get them removed from the book. A lot of the gun laws prohibit carrying in places permitted by the state and many make it a crime if a gun is lost or stolen and you don't report it. They actually think the forced reporting of lost or stolen guns will reduce straw purchases and will make their communities safer. Perhaps they should enforce the laws they have and actually do something about crime...you know, do the jobs they were elected to do. Another plus, many of these communities were promised legal funds if the laws are fought in court. Groups like Cease Fire PA and the Brady clowns will be on the hook financially when the NRA can roll in their legal eagles.

If this doesn't get approved this legislative session it will be back to square one. It looks like we have the votes and the governor said he will sign it but you never know how politics will play out in the back rooms.

Good article from 2012 on what is happening:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...-with-pennsylvania-mayors-over-town-laws.html
 
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Bump...it's in committee now. The anti's are trying to get the amendment removed that will give teeth the PA preemption law. We need calls and mention you want them to pass HB1243 as a clean bill, no changes.

Where are the MO members from PA?
 
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Ok PA members, this bill was not taken up in committee yesterday. The next chance will be 10/13/ or 10/14. Please contact the State Senators listed above if you read this before then.

I am speaking to all PA gun owners: At this point the news I am getting is that some Senators say they have only had 50 calls in support of adding teeth to our preemption law. That's 50 when we put 1,000,000 into the field for deer season. That's 50 when my gun club has 2000 dues paying members and it's one of probably 10 clubs in just this county. We have a Republican led Senate and Governor so we have no reason to not pass this pass this bill. Last year Erie, PA knowingly passed illegal gun laws and then enforced them. It cost many thousands for the innocent to have the charges removed. I would rather the NRA legal eagles take that on than pay myself. We need to get off our butts or we will be the next domino to fall with our neighbors in NY, NJ and Maryland.

Again, if you call..."I want the senator to support a clean bill 1243, with no amendments"
 
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All over it Mike....thanks for posting up the links !!

Voting in Pennsylvania since 1972...

NRA Life Member since 1977...
 
We should know in a day or two what will become of this bill.

It is ironic that while working on this bill at the Senate, 4 thugs attempted to rob and murder two state reps just blocks from the capital building. Good thing the one democrat was carrying concealed and fought them off. Guaranteed it will not be included on any mainstream news outlets. Our capital is a toilet. They actually block off some streets in the summer and only permit local residents entry to help prevent drive by shootings.
 
I thought it was time for an update since the law was passed and signed. Some communities are rescinding the illegal gun laws that they passed and some still want to fight. I really hope they are made an example of in court and lose badly. The anti gunners in PA, primarily the Bloomberg associated CeasefirePA, make like this is the worst travesty in the history of the state that communities will be forced to remove their "common sense" gun laws. They ignore two things. 1) the local laws were passed illegally made in violation of state law. 2) the laws these communities make are not enforced because they know the law will be challenged and they will lose. The laws are symbolic only and the new state laws helps get rid of them.

Novel Law Prompts Towns Agree to Rescind Gun Measures
Jan 11, 2015, 11:46 AM ET
By MICHAEL RUBINKAM Associated Press
Barely a week after taking effect, a novel state law that makes it easier for gun-rights groups to challenge local firearms measures in court is already sparking change: Nearly two dozen Pennsylvania municipalities have agreed to get rid of their potentially problematic ordinances rather than face litigation.
Joshua Prince, an attorney for four pro-gun groups and several residents, cited the new law in putting nearly 100 Pennsylvania municipalities on notice that they would face legal action unless they rescinded their firearms laws.
At least 22 of those municipalities have already repealed them, or indicated they planned to do so, according to Prince, who specializes in firearms law and is based in southeastern Pennsylvania.
Pennsylvania, which has a strong tradition of hunting and gun ownership, has long prohibited its municipalities from enforcing firearms ordinances that regulate the ownership, possession, transfer or transportation of guns or ammunition.
Gun-rights groups complained that scores of municipalities have ignored the 40-year-old prohibition by passing their own, mainly unchallenged gun measures.
Under the new state law, gun owners no longer have to prove they have been harmed by the local measure to successfully challenge it, and "membership organizations" like the National Rifle Association can stand in to sue on behalf of any Pennsylvania member. The challenger can also seek damages.
Neither the NRA nor gun-control advocacy group CeaseFirePA was aware of any state with a similar law.
The cities of Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and Lancaster have sued to overturn the law, saying the legislation was passed improperly. That lawsuit is pending in Commonwealth Court.
Shira Goodman, executive director of CeaseFirePA, is encouraging municipalities with gun laws to stand pat, at least until the legal challenge is resolved.
"We certainly understand that they feel threatened and concerned. We feel like they have been put in a terrible position by their representatives in Harrisburg," she said.
Reading City Council signaled last week it intended to repeal laws that ban firing weapons within city limits and require owners to report lost or stolen weapons. Officials said the city could ill afford a legal battle.
"We get ourselves in trouble in terms of trying to circumvent a state law," said Councilman Jeff Waltman. "We're not going to solve this with a local gun law anyway."
The city of Harrisburg plans to defend its ordinances, asserting they comply with state law. The measures ban gunfire anywhere in the city and weapons possession in city parks. There's also a reporting requirement for lost or stolen weapons.
Harrisburg's laws are intended to combat gun violence and have the support of the police chief, said Mayor Eric Papenfuse.
"I don't think it's the be-all and end-all of public safety, but I think it's an important tool to have, and it absolutely sends the wrong message to try to rescind those ordinances, especially given the epidemic of gun violence we have in cities like Harrisburg," he said.
Papenfuse denounced the new state law as representing "a fringe ideological view."
But gun activist Dave Dalton said no municipality has a right to flout Pennsylvania law. He said the law gives gun owners a tool to hold municipalities accountable.
"What gives a town or a city the authority to say, 'We're in Pennsylvania, but we don't care about Pennsylvania law?' It's laughable," said Dalton, founder of American Gun Owners Alliance in the Pocono Mountains, one of the groups represented by Prince.
The local laws have violated gun owners' rights without making anyone safer, said another of Prince's clients, Kim Stolfer, founder of Firearms Owners Against Crime.
"I think all of us are pleased it's a good start, that communities are starting to look at this," Stolfer said. Before gun groups were given standing to sue, he said, municipal officials "were just going to thumb their nose at a system that wasn't going to hold them responsible."
The NRA has not yet contacted any municipality, but said it's reviewing local ordinances to ensure they comply with Pennsylvania law.
 
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