So.....Paul Ryan it is....
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I think we need a "none of the above" on the ballot...they'd probably win every election.
Blood_Trial
Let me put it like this. I did photography work for the Tea Party in Oklahoma.
Mostly stuff like shooting the crowd at angles that made 400 people look like 1000. Stuff like that. The one thing that it was impossible to do however, was those "the children are our future" shots. Because there were very, very few young people there and most of the ones that were there looked like they'd been drug unwillingly to church on a Sunday morning.
By the time the second Tea Party event I attended rolled around. I realized, the Tea Party had a problem. They had morphed, in just a few short months, from a movement about economics and taxes, into a new version of "The Moral Majority", that almost buried the Republican Party in the 1980's. The Moral Majority died in 1989, because they were far more extreme than their children. In effect, they were a movement doomed for their lack of another generation. In the end The Moral Majority had a huge, powerful tractor and no seed corn for the next year.
I am strait up for taxing any church capable of building mega-churches the size of sports stadiums and meddling in the American political arena.
American Evangelicals need to be taxed back into the confines of their churches, until such time as their more moderate children can build a new church, more about worshiping Jesus Christ instead of the false idol of greed...The Golden Bull at the corner of Wall & Broad.
One has to decide, who's more immediately dangerous to American Liberty and the Constitution. Islamic Hezbollah in Lebanon or Southern Baptist Hezbollah here at home. I've voted to contain the external threats to liberty all my life. While the internal threat of Militant, Evangelical Christianity festered into a cancerous legalistic monstrosity, that's imprisoned and disenfranchised more minority's and black people, for non violent morality crimes, than the prison populations of Russia and China combined. The fact that they are obsessed with being imprisoned in FEMA camps is almost laughable, when compared to societal and economic havoc they've heaped on the nation with their failed war on drugs.
I've got a budget cut for you Mr Ryan. Lets cut the amount we spend on incarcerating non-violent offenders in this country by about 95%.
Ryan now claims he didn't understand that Ayn Rand was an Atheist, when he touted Atlas Shrugged all those years. He claims now, that Ayn's ideas can be translated into a Catholic version of Objectivism, more palatable to the Church. Though I'm not sure Ryan realizes that a Catholic version of Atlas Shrugged has already been written...It was called Mien Kampf.
Just replace the words Eternal Jew and Protocols of the Elders of Zion for the more American Identity Christian terms of Mud People Welfare Parasite and Protocols of American Socialism and Mien Kampf and Atlas Shrugged are practically the same song.
Hope that clears up my view of the dangers posed to American Liberty and Constitutional Freedoms posed by Evangelical Christians and the Catholic Church Blood_Trial...Since you brought it up.
Let me put it like this. I did photography work for the Tea Party in Oklahoma.
Mostly stuff like shooting the crowd at angles that made 400 people look like 1000. Stuff like that. The one thing that it was impossible to do however, was those "the children are our future" shots. Because there were very, very few young people there and most of the ones that were there looked like they'd been drug unwillingly to church on a Sunday morning.
By the time the second Tea Party event I attended rolled around. I realized, the Tea Party had a problem. They had morphed, in just a few short months, from a movement about economics and taxes, into a new version of "The Moral Majority", that almost buried the Republican Party in the 1980's. The Moral Majority died in 1989, because they were far more extreme than their children. In effect, they were a movement doomed for their lack of another generation. In the end The Moral Majority had a huge, powerful tractor and no seed corn for the next year.
I am strait up for taxing any church capable of building mega-churches the size of sports stadiums and meddling in the American political arena.
American Evangelicals need to be taxed back into the confines of their churches, until such time as their more moderate children can build a new church, more about worshiping Jesus Christ instead of the false idol of greed...The Golden Bull at the corner of Wall & Broad.
One has to decide, who's more immediately dangerous to American Liberty and the Constitution. Islamic Hezbollah in Lebanon or Southern Baptist Hezbollah here at home. I've voted to contain the external threats to liberty all my life. While the internal threat of Militant, Evangelical Christianity festered into a cancerous legalistic monstrosity, that's imprisoned and disenfranchised more minority's and black people, for non violent morality crimes, than the prison populations of Russia and China combined. The fact that they are obsessed with being imprisoned in FEMA camps is almost laughable, when compared to societal and economic havoc they've heaped on the nation with their failed war on drugs.
I've got a budget cut for you Mr Ryan. Lets cut the amount we spend on incarcerating non-violent offenders in this country by about 95%.
Ryan now claims he didn't understand that Ayn Rand was an Atheist, when he touted Atlas Shrugged all those years. He claims now, that Ayn's ideas can be translated into a Catholic version of Objectivism, more palatable to the Church. Though I'm not sure Ryan realizes that a Catholic version of Atlas Shrugged has already been written...It was called Mien Kampf.
Just replace the words Eternal Jew and Protocols of the Elders of Zion for the more American Identity Christian terms of Mud People Welfare Parasite and Protocols of American Socialism and Mien Kampf and Atlas Shrugged are practically the same song.
Hope that clears up my view of the dangers posed to American Liberty and Constitutional Freedoms posed by Evangelical Christians and the Catholic Church Blood_Trial...Since you brought it up.
If Republicanism is to survive. We'll have to throw out everything after Goldwater and start over again with the Republican Regulatory Progressivism of Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt.
Otherwise, we go the way of the dinosaurs. Roaring at the strange, cold, white stuff falling from the sky.
Why do I keep bringing up Theodore Roosevelt? Maybe because I believe the prevailing wisdom, that Obama/Davis's presidency resembles that of Jimmy Carter's is wrong. I think Obama/Davis and his presidency will far more closely resemble that of Woodrow Wilson.
Otherwise, we go the way of the dinosaurs. Roaring at the strange, cold, white stuff falling from the sky.
Why do I keep bringing up Theodore Roosevelt? Maybe because I believe the prevailing wisdom, that Obama/Davis's presidency resembles that of Jimmy Carter's is wrong. I think Obama/Davis and his presidency will far more closely resemble that of Woodrow Wilson.
I'm alright with drastically cutting spending on convicted criminals (jails). Probably not 95% worth because there are people there working to keep the criminals there, and they have overhead and expenditures just like any other business to keep running. I worked in a jail for a while, and I assure you, I can tell you a lot about it that you may not understand or even believe because I know what I'm talking about first hand. I don't really think you do.
But I do agree that jail should be an unpleasant place to stay/live.
And honestly, a long rope doesn't cost much either, but that's a discussion for another day.
Taxing the Church is a very... very, bad idea.
There is an intentional seperation of church and state. Always has been and I don't think you've put as much thought into your statements as you think.
When the Gov't starts taxing a church, then churches will be eligible for every form of benefit and grant and fed and state loans that businesses and non-profits and everything else can do already. So if you think churches have a lot of money now, stop and imagine the Government getting involved.
Money is given to a church by individuals, not local, state or Federal Governments.
That is just one point of view, I could give others too.
Like, it just being a generally bad to try to tax God.
I'm a God fearing, southern baptist, and we dont' want to go there. Sounds like you think I need to go put on a white robe and start burning crosses :roll:
But I do agree that jail should be an unpleasant place to stay/live.
And honestly, a long rope doesn't cost much either, but that's a discussion for another day.
Taxing the Church is a very... very, bad idea.
There is an intentional seperation of church and state. Always has been and I don't think you've put as much thought into your statements as you think.
When the Gov't starts taxing a church, then churches will be eligible for every form of benefit and grant and fed and state loans that businesses and non-profits and everything else can do already. So if you think churches have a lot of money now, stop and imagine the Government getting involved.
Money is given to a church by individuals, not local, state or Federal Governments.
That is just one point of view, I could give others too.
Like, it just being a generally bad to try to tax God.
I'm a God fearing, southern baptist, and we dont' want to go there. Sounds like you think I need to go put on a white robe and start burning crosses :roll:
In a thread about Ryan. It all comes back to the great struggle within the Republican Ideal. Between Socially Irresponsible, Narcissistic, Randian unregulated Capitalism and the Socially Responsible, Regulated, Progressive Capitalism of Theodore Roosevelt.
I Share the same view of Ayn Rand and her book Atlas Shrugged, as was held by one of the Greatest Conservative Intellectuals who ever lived, William F. Buckley. Bill thought Ayn was so dangerously crazy, that he commissioned Whitaker Chambers to trash Atlas Shrugged in National Review Magazine, in what became the definitive criticism of Objectivism for the next 50 years.
In fact if you Google William F. Buckley, Whiteker Chambers and Ayn Rand. you can still read that critique of Atlas Shrugged on National Review Online to this day.
The Problem with the unregulated hand of the market, which both Ayn Rand and Paul Ryan are so fond of, in a college kid talking about economic theory in a cloud of bong smoke sort of way. is that we've already tried it once...It was the problem that confronted Theodore Roosevelt at the turn of the last century. Had not Roosevelt chosen the course of Regulation and Trust Busting. Socialism if not outright marxism, would surely have taken hold in America in a far more virulent form than it did, in the first half of the 20'th century. Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt were relatively mild forms of socialism compared to Eugene Debs and Huey Long.
Roosevelt's Regulated Capitalism was the result of watching real world unregulated capitalism at work chaining little girls to machines in textile mills...Not some literary pipe dream about Unregulated Capitalism as Rand and Ryan espouse.
We can dream about Austrian economics all we want, but in the end, if we take care of only the rich. The next Revolution in this country will look a lot more like the French Terror than 1776 and the book that falls from out hands as the guillotine blade falls won't be Marie Antoinette's Bible, but Atlas Shrugged.
Our Mossberg's and Ar's won't save us. There aren't fences around the gated communities, in the suburbs high enough, to stem that tide, once our own stupidity cracks the thin dam between us and those we sneer at as being the social parasites.
I Share the same view of Ayn Rand and her book Atlas Shrugged, as was held by one of the Greatest Conservative Intellectuals who ever lived, William F. Buckley. Bill thought Ayn was so dangerously crazy, that he commissioned Whitaker Chambers to trash Atlas Shrugged in National Review Magazine, in what became the definitive criticism of Objectivism for the next 50 years.
In fact if you Google William F. Buckley, Whiteker Chambers and Ayn Rand. you can still read that critique of Atlas Shrugged on National Review Online to this day.
The Problem with the unregulated hand of the market, which both Ayn Rand and Paul Ryan are so fond of, in a college kid talking about economic theory in a cloud of bong smoke sort of way. is that we've already tried it once...It was the problem that confronted Theodore Roosevelt at the turn of the last century. Had not Roosevelt chosen the course of Regulation and Trust Busting. Socialism if not outright marxism, would surely have taken hold in America in a far more virulent form than it did, in the first half of the 20'th century. Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt were relatively mild forms of socialism compared to Eugene Debs and Huey Long.
Roosevelt's Regulated Capitalism was the result of watching real world unregulated capitalism at work chaining little girls to machines in textile mills...Not some literary pipe dream about Unregulated Capitalism as Rand and Ryan espouse.
We can dream about Austrian economics all we want, but in the end, if we take care of only the rich. The next Revolution in this country will look a lot more like the French Terror than 1776 and the book that falls from out hands as the guillotine blade falls won't be Marie Antoinette's Bible, but Atlas Shrugged.
Our Mossberg's and Ar's won't save us. There aren't fences around the gated communities, in the suburbs high enough, to stem that tide, once our own stupidity cracks the thin dam between us and those we sneer at as being the social parasites.
John_A
Well, you see John. Your above statement is a perfect example of whats wrong with the current Republican Party. Incarcerating your fellow humans isn't a jobs program. Really, that's so important, as the very crux of this argument, that I'll repeat it again, in case you didn't catch it the first time. (This time in the voice of your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.) ..."Incarcerating your fellow human beings isn't a jobs program!"
If the only industry we have left in this country is the prison system and we have to feed it to provide you with a job John...We may as well hang it up. Because we're f*cked as a society if that's the case.
Let me get this strait John...You hate welfare mothers, but you think the government needs to imprison a certain amount of people, so the state can subsidize your jobs guarding them. So what your really saying here, is that your jobs is sucking off the state tit and your willing to ruin peoples lives to keep suckling on that tit? Does your department or entity get any of that .Gov grant money there John? I'll wager the government wastes more money on the jobs we both used to do John that they did on a 100 Solyndra's.
As for your above supposition, that you have more experience with prisons and jails than I. well I guess it must be based on the same type of blind, miss guided faith you place in the church, but the reality is...Unless you've got a little over eight years working with and transporting convicts. Your faith would be about as wrong as it is about everything else. Give me a shout when your Police, Fire, Emergency Medical, Corrections and Emergency Services Training Hours total exceed 2200.
I spent an awful long time incarcerating people who didn't need to be there. So some assistant district attorney could whip the girls in the first pew into a orgasmic frenzy of religious zeal with stories of how he saved their perfect, white, Christian children from the sinners and unbelivers..."Vote for me for District Attorney on Tuesday. I have a mini-mansion and two SUV payments." I was part of that machine for a long time and it was a crock.
Well, you see John. Your above statement is a perfect example of whats wrong with the current Republican Party. Incarcerating your fellow humans isn't a jobs program. Really, that's so important, as the very crux of this argument, that I'll repeat it again, in case you didn't catch it the first time. (This time in the voice of your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.) ..."Incarcerating your fellow human beings isn't a jobs program!"
If the only industry we have left in this country is the prison system and we have to feed it to provide you with a job John...We may as well hang it up. Because we're f*cked as a society if that's the case.
Let me get this strait John...You hate welfare mothers, but you think the government needs to imprison a certain amount of people, so the state can subsidize your jobs guarding them. So what your really saying here, is that your jobs is sucking off the state tit and your willing to ruin peoples lives to keep suckling on that tit? Does your department or entity get any of that .Gov grant money there John? I'll wager the government wastes more money on the jobs we both used to do John that they did on a 100 Solyndra's.
As for your above supposition, that you have more experience with prisons and jails than I. well I guess it must be based on the same type of blind, miss guided faith you place in the church, but the reality is...Unless you've got a little over eight years working with and transporting convicts. Your faith would be about as wrong as it is about everything else. Give me a shout when your Police, Fire, Emergency Medical, Corrections and Emergency Services Training Hours total exceed 2200.
I spent an awful long time incarcerating people who didn't need to be there. So some assistant district attorney could whip the girls in the first pew into a orgasmic frenzy of religious zeal with stories of how he saved their perfect, white, Christian children from the sinners and unbelivers..."Vote for me for District Attorney on Tuesday. I have a mini-mansion and two SUV payments." I was part of that machine for a long time and it was a crock.
Which brings me back to Jobs and the lack of either Rmoney/Ryan or Obama/Davis/maybe Biden to produce them.
We can not cut our way back to prosperity. Prosperity can only be restored though Jobs. To restore jobs. We have to regulate the derivatives market, institute trade protectionism and drill baby drill...two of which are in direct conflict with the Rmoney/Ryan vision of unregulated capitalism.
Bain was started with $400 Million that the Mormon Tabernacle ripped off from Howard Hughes's charitable trusts. With that kind of glad handed start up cash Rmoney could have thrown darts at the Dow Jones big board and created more real jobs than he did. The Mormons are pious, old money, Milk drinking crooks in magic underwear with a history of serial pedophilia , And Rmoney is their anointed one.
The guys awaiting Rmoney's assent to the highest office in the land as though he was our savior are not much brighter than those fools that worshiped ObamaChrist in the last election.
We can not cut our way back to prosperity. Prosperity can only be restored though Jobs. To restore jobs. We have to regulate the derivatives market, institute trade protectionism and drill baby drill...two of which are in direct conflict with the Rmoney/Ryan vision of unregulated capitalism.
Bain was started with $400 Million that the Mormon Tabernacle ripped off from Howard Hughes's charitable trusts. With that kind of glad handed start up cash Rmoney could have thrown darts at the Dow Jones big board and created more real jobs than he did. The Mormons are pious, old money, Milk drinking crooks in magic underwear with a history of serial pedophilia , And Rmoney is their anointed one.
The guys awaiting Rmoney's assent to the highest office in the land as though he was our savior are not much brighter than those fools that worshiped ObamaChrist in the last election.
First I heard this. Do you have a source? I can't belive the mainstream press that jumped all over Reid's tax cheat allegations have missed this one. I would like to read it if you have one.
Welfare mothers? I personally don't hate them. Are there people on welfare that need it, aren't on drugs didn't have kids for more money and don't plan to make it a lifetime ride...yep. Are there a lot of dead beats on welfare that want the taxpayers to pay for their bad decisions...yep. Why do I need to pay people money that have enough for a flat screen tv, cell phones, computer, internet connection, cigarettes and on and on? Should I be happy in the grocery store when I'm buying chicken and hamburger and the guy in front of me getting steak and top end seafood whips out the ol' food stamp card?
Prisons? I'll start with I have never been in one. I am a supporter of law and order. I know the laws and expect that if I break them and get caught then I have consequences. I'd love to do home distilling and it seems petty that I can't for personal use. Sound familiar? It's a felony and I know that so don't do the crime since I don't want to do the time. What percentage of people in prison do you think shouldn't be there? You can rip the d.a.'s but they don't write the laws. Don't like the laws?...work to change them.
We also can't spend borrowed money to make our way back to prosperity and yes we need real jobs. Obama has proven he isn't a job creator. The answer also isn't total regulation removal. It's somewhere in the middle.
That wasn't in the book of Job? Sorry Ripjack13, I couldn't resist.
Mylastrook said:
This is not one of them...
Mylastrook said:
I think this is your excuse for posting in here....why else would you keep posting here other to get a rise out of folks here. :roll:
Mylastrook said:
If that's the case, then you spend way to much time on the internet. The Majority of the voter population does not surf the web looking for conservative gun forums looking to plant their flowers of hope and change....
Mylastrook said:
Mylastrook said:
And on that note...my work here is done..and so should yours.
Why, are you locking the thread because its doesn't conform to your narrow vision of Ayn Rand Republicanism Ripjack?
Do you find the fact, that other Republicans have a different, more moderate vision of the direction of the party threatening? Have you been listening to Glen Beck so long. You've actually bought into the idea, that all Republicans, that haven't repudiated and disavowed Theodore Roosevelt as a Bolshevik, must be trolls?
Shoot Ripjack...I haven't even gotten started on the Fact that Ryan's as big of a real money crank as Ron Paul...There's more to dislike about Dr Paul than just his foreign policy and 9-11 Trutherism. The only difference between Ron Paul's Gold Bug Currency nonsense and Ryans Commodities Based Currency nonsense is Ryan hasn't named a kid after Ayn Rand yet.
Do you find the fact, that other Republicans have a different, more moderate vision of the direction of the party threatening? Have you been listening to Glen Beck so long. You've actually bought into the idea, that all Republicans, that haven't repudiated and disavowed Theodore Roosevelt as a Bolshevik, must be trolls?
Shoot Ripjack...I haven't even gotten started on the Fact that Ryan's as big of a real money crank as Ron Paul...There's more to dislike about Dr Paul than just his foreign policy and 9-11 Trutherism. The only difference between Ron Paul's Gold Bug Currency nonsense and Ryans Commodities Based Currency nonsense is Ryan hasn't named a kid after Ayn Rand yet.
Tom396
.30-06
Mylastrook said:
What makes you think the thread is going to be locked? As I have mentioned before, we all have the option of not reading it, if we so desire. I may not agree with you, but I don't see any harm in letting you continue to state your case/opinion.
As I've also mentioned previously, I hope this will give some folks a reason to make the trip to the polls in November. I hate it when folks "give up" on our system. It's the best in the world, in my book. Take care. Tom Worthington.
Where do Romney and Ryan stand of gun control, I feel the current admin if reelected will infringe on my 2nd admin rights to a degree like we've never seen in U.S. history. All the points made here will be invalid, poop sandwiches for us all forever. We've lost too many rights and losing more daily.
Now that's actually a very good question BenSamp.
Judging from his past statements. Rmoney shares the same attitude towards the second amendment as Bill O'Reilly. Which is to say he pays lip service to the Fudd's and is quite prepared to throw the black gun community under the bus.
As for Ryan he has an A+ rating from the NRA, but then again, so did Dan Quayle and look how much that helped us when the Import Ban rolled around. The Vice Presidents views on gun control don't make any difference until such time as he either is or isn't elected to sit in the big chair.
The fact is...That gun control measures are coming for the Home Defense and black rifle community whether it's Barack Marshal Davis or Mittenz Rmoney. I suggest you do what I've done. Buy it cheap and pack it deep. The guns and ammo you buy today may have to last you for a decade or more.
What about our children and the 2nd amendment you ask me? Hey. I didn't make this America. I just prepare for the end of it.
Rmoney/Ryan is just as dangerous to our black rifles as Barack Marshal Davis.
Judging from his past statements. Rmoney shares the same attitude towards the second amendment as Bill O'Reilly. Which is to say he pays lip service to the Fudd's and is quite prepared to throw the black gun community under the bus.
As for Ryan he has an A+ rating from the NRA, but then again, so did Dan Quayle and look how much that helped us when the Import Ban rolled around. The Vice Presidents views on gun control don't make any difference until such time as he either is or isn't elected to sit in the big chair.
The fact is...That gun control measures are coming for the Home Defense and black rifle community whether it's Barack Marshal Davis or Mittenz Rmoney. I suggest you do what I've done. Buy it cheap and pack it deep. The guns and ammo you buy today may have to last you for a decade or more.
What about our children and the 2nd amendment you ask me? Hey. I didn't make this America. I just prepare for the end of it.
Rmoney/Ryan is just as dangerous to our black rifles as Barack Marshal Davis.
Time to put this thread back on the course that Kentucky Windage started it on.
Ryan seemed to have had a good week on the campain trail. He has a good start as a major candidate and he just released some tax returns. The conservative base seems to really like him.
Wisconsin is now polling that the Romney will take it.
Joe Biden continues to put his foot into his mouth and it appears Obama is keeping him on the ticket. Their were rumors yesterday that Obama approached Hillary a few weeks ago about the VP slot and she turned it down to focus on "Hillary 2016".
Ryan seemed to have had a good week on the campain trail. He has a good start as a major candidate and he just released some tax returns. The conservative base seems to really like him.
Wisconsin is now polling that the Romney will take it.
Joe Biden continues to put his foot into his mouth and it appears Obama is keeping him on the ticket. Their were rumors yesterday that Obama approached Hillary a few weeks ago about the VP slot and she turned it down to focus on "Hillary 2016".
KentuckyWindage
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carbinemike said:
I agree things are starting to look better. Ryan needs to keep the party energized and Biden needs to keep speaking
