the other stock I made was just too low, even without the scope. this one goes a little farther than I estimated I would need, but its more comfortable. the silly part is that its all out of a pine 2x8 straight from he home depot. drilling a 12" hole in the stock was not so bad after I made a jig to help. boring a 1-1/8" hole in the forend was a different story. and, its amazing what difference a 1/64" makes. darned slide tube is 1-9/64". I ended up just splitting the top under the barrel to let it flex a little.