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AR TIME!!

Discussion in 'The Workbench: Builds And Modifications' started by robtech87, Jan 24, 2012.

  1. robtech87

    robtech87 .270 WIN

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    starting my AR build!

    im building mine from 80% lowers

    milled this one out
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    my fiance wants an a2 style ar so i decided to keep that one for her and ordered myself a fancy schmansy quinten defense billet lower with the integrated drop trigger guard and no roll pin design. that should be here soon.
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    i'll be custom etching all the markings myself so i'll be pretty personalized and then annodizing it

    palmetto, magpul, and vltor goodies are also in route to complete the lower :D
  2. VitSports6

    VitSports6 20g Supporter

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    Far out!
    Keep us update, Which I am certain you will.
  3. John A.

    John A. I'm "THAT" guy Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    AWESOME!!!!

    Taking "building an AR" to a whole new level.

    I don't have any CNC stuff, although I do have a little manual drill vise, but I've always been too nervous to try it on a lower.

    But yours has turned out great so far. I have a buddy who bought one like that too.

    As for Quentin Defense, I knew Jason a year or two before he got into manufacturing when he was just concentrating on his engraving services. Matter of fact, he is the only person I get to engrave my stuff (SBR's and Silencers) because he does me right on price and does a great job with quick turnaround times

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    Check out the LEO/Mil sample M16 be built ;)

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr5rXGFgEAE[/youtube]
  4. LAZY EYED SNIPER

    LAZY EYED SNIPER Overwatch Staff Member Global Moderator Supporter "Philanthropist"

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    SWEET!

    I'll be looking forward to updates...
  5. SHOOTER13

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    Likewise...!!
  6. robtech87

    robtech87 .270 WIN

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    nice...havent heard anything but positive feedback regarding quentin so that sounds great.

    yea i know people do em with drill presses (well seen online) but i'd be sketchy about doin it too...esp since you mill aluminum @ like 1200rpm and i know my drill press doesn't spin that fast...you can go slower but it doesn't turn out as nice.

    still trying to decide on a theme for the gun...not like some crazy color theme or anything just somethin unique or funny to etch in instead of the normal bullet with a line for "safe" and a bullet for "fire" etc...any ideas?
  7. Ripsnortr

    Ripsnortr 20g

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    This looks like one to watch. Seems AR fever is creeping into MO.. lol
  8. MikeD

    MikeD I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator "Philanthropist"

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    Awesome! I'll definitely be keeping an eye on this build.
  9. Awastatyme

    Awastatyme .270 WIN

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    Have you seen the zombie lower on from spikes tatical? safe is replaced with live, fire replaced with dead and full auto is replaced with undead

    http://www.spikestactical.com/new/z/lower-multi-forged-zombie-livedead-markings-p-566.html
  10. robtech87

    robtech87 .270 WIN

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    yea i've def considered going the zombie route...esp since i always joke with people about the zombie apocalypse...
  11. robtech87

    robtech87 .270 WIN

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    some goodies from Vltor showed up today!!

    A5 buffer/stock setup in FDE

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  12. LAZY EYED SNIPER

    LAZY EYED SNIPER Overwatch Staff Member Global Moderator Supporter "Philanthropist"

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    Congrats bro!

    I love get'n gun part deliveries...
  13. robtech87

    robtech87 .270 WIN

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    seriously...i wish these places shipped faster though..Vltor is awesome...great quality, great rep...to my door in 3 days...Wolff springs, Palmetto, Quentin defense on the other hand take over a week to even put something in a box with your address on it
  14. robtech87

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    well my quentin lower got here today...lpk and magpul goodies should be here tomorrow

    some pics to compare the beefiness of the billet quentin to the forged tactical machining...both very nice tolerances/quality/finish...this thing is just burly and diesel lookin

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    i really like the no rollpin design of it...tons of room in the trigger guard and the bolt catch has a threaded pin
  15. LAZY EYED SNIPER

    LAZY EYED SNIPER Overwatch Staff Member Global Moderator Supporter "Philanthropist"

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    Very nice! That thing does look like a beast! Can't wait to see it finished...
  16. Saltmarsh

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    Very nice work, it is nice to see folks doing things like this. I would love to able to mill, anodize, and make my own lowers. I am applying for a 07 FFL, with SOT. The SOT will come later. Good on ya for stepping out, and doing things for yourself.
  17. John A.

    John A. I'm "THAT" guy Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    I had my FFL's for nearly a decade so I do have some experience with this.

    An 07 FFL is a manufacturers license, which technically is an SOT because it requires paying it yearly. (SOT is short of Special Operating Tax)

    A licensed manufacturer can sell anything they make (granted you follow the reg's). No extra licensing required.

    What exactly are you going to start making?
  18. robtech87

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    just on an off note what is required/how hard is it to get an 07 FFL? a buddy of mine and i have been kinda tinkering with the idea of manufacturing some goodies someday
  19. John A.

    John A. I'm "THAT" guy Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    It's not very different from a regular gun dealer application.

    Even with FFL's, there can be zoning issues, city ordinances, etc. to contend with that can throw a monkey wrench in the way.

    You also need chief LEO signature, 2x2" passport photo's, fingerprints, physical address/location, hours of operation, secure building (and you WILL get a thorough pre-inspection by an ATF agent at the premesis before approval and up to once a year compliance check during normal business hours without a warrant.)

    All Employee's that will be doing transfers and/or in contact with finished firearms will also have paperwork to fill out with the FBI, and disclaimers for right of privacy act, background check, etc.

    Regular gun dealer licenses are good for up to 3 years at a time. $200 for the first 3 years, and $90 for subsequent 3 year intervals before reapplying.

    In addition to what regular dealers are required, manufacturer requirements are a bit more involved with the Federal Gov't

    $500 per year (Special Occupational Tax) for businesses making less than ???? (I don't remember the cutoff amount) and $1000 yearly if you exceed the cutoff amount. You're welcome to look up the amounts yourself. It's late and I simply can't remember the amounts right off and I don't feel like looking them up.

    There are also forms you'll have to submit because they want to know how much waste you're going to have a year (whether physical scraps/recyclable material, and even down to how much waste water/runoff you're going to have, if any of it is going to require hazardous waste permits, how much electricity you're expected to use a year, Federal EIN/Employer tax number with the IRS, state/local business tax permits, etc.
  20. Saltmarsh

    Saltmarsh .270 WIN

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    Good Morning John A.
    I worked for a shop 3.5 years ago, I built AR's, sold firearms, and firearms repair for a gunshop. It was a class3 dealer 07FFL SOT. I am looking to have my own place to work with, class3 items, tranfers, and build SBR's, SBS's. I still get calls from some of my old customers, (alot of SBR's), I can not work on thier firearms without an FFL, so I figured why not go all the way.

    I have worked on numerous NFA items, and have always had great support, from the NFA Branch, as well as the BATFE. I set up the old shop with manufactures to build the lowers, uppers, and various parts used there. I was in constant contact with BATFE, The Manufacturers, and The NFA Branch. My wife and I own a firearms orientated business. Out of respect for this board, and it's members, I will not post any links to it. In short, I want to get back into it, and work with some of my old customers, and hopefully gain some new ones.

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