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Budget Rifle Project *now with pics*

Discussion in 'Long Guns' started by Rossignol, Sep 5, 2016.

  1. Rossignol

    Rossignol The Original Sheriff Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator Sponsor

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    Not that I can tell. Though with the bipod the flex in the forend is more obvious. When I fire, the rifle kicks sideways which isn't in itself uncommon just that I wonder if in that instant there's enough flex that the stock contacts the barrel.

    I put my support hand under the butt when I shoot whether seated or prone. It's worked fairly well for me and I still use my backpack to some degree to help support the butt too. As you suggest with the side by side, I'll reset back to how we had been shooting before the bipod.

    I've also wrapped the whole thing with burlap and twine. I'll remove the variables one at a time and see what clicks.
  2. CaddmannQ

    CaddmannQ 12g Supporter

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    I have a Savage .22 with that same type poly stock, and the things are too flexible and light for a target gun IMO.

    Also I have consistently shot better off sandbags than a bipod. Don't know why, but I do.

    I'm in the market for a .223 target gun myself, and I haven't picked one yet, but people are pushing me to a Tika.

    It's probably lots more than a Savage though. Not a budget rifle.
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  3. Rossignol

    Rossignol The Original Sheriff Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator Sponsor

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    The TC Arms Compass is another that's getting pretty decent reviews.
  4. Water Monkey

    Water Monkey The man, the myth, the monkey Moderator Supporter

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    Love my MVP predator.
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  5. CaddmannQ

    CaddmannQ 12g Supporter

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    There are a lot of good ones.
  6. Rossignol

    Rossignol The Original Sheriff Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator Sponsor

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    I have a theory on my accuracy issues.

    Rather than the bipod, the more I think about it, the more I believe that the real issue is what I've wrapped the gun with for camouflage.

    I've used burlap, some cheap scrim, and a cut up gun sock, and tied it to the rifle with copious amounts of twine. Including down the length of the forend and barrel. In conjunction with the bipod, as I preload I'm also causing forces to react upon the barrel. It's no longer floated as it's all connected. This isn't a 1903 Springfield or SMLE. It's supposed to be a free floated barrel. And now it's not.

    I'll be testing this hypothesis this morning.

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  7. CaddmannQ

    CaddmannQ 12g Supporter

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    I don't know much about bipods but my theory goes like this:

    When you rest your weapon on a bipod you're resting it on something very light. When resting it on a sandbag you resting on something very heavy.

    Light things simply move & jiggle around much more easily than heavy things.

    The sandbag stays put.

    So far I find that I can almost pattern at 100 yards off a sandbag as well as fifty yards off my bipod.

    This is a huge thing for me since I am strictly a target shooter.
  8. Rossignol

    Rossignol The Original Sheriff Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator Sponsor

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    ^^^I've definitely had better results with the rifle rested on my backpack. Though a good stock and preloading the bipod should negate some of that.

    Now ***The Return of Accuracy***

    I removed everything. Taking all the wrap off helped, but similar to what you describe above Cadd, the bipod on a super flexy stock without being able to properly preload still didn't get me back to where I was.

    I had been shooting 5 round groups with a break for cool down in between. I shot first with all the wrap removed and saw limited improvement. Then I fired another group to confirm. Then I shot a third group with the rifle rested on my backpack. Much better results. Then a fourth group with a warm barrel and different ammo which is ok but not awesome. Still not as wide in general as what i was seeing.

    After resetting and rested on a backpack.

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    Second group rested on a backpack and with a warm barrel. Also different ammunition.

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  9. Water Monkey

    Water Monkey The man, the myth, the monkey Moderator Supporter

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    Think it might be the bipod as originally suspected.
  10. Rossignol

    Rossignol The Original Sheriff Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator Sponsor

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    Yep, looks like it. I guess its a budget project for a reason lol
  11. oli700

    oli700 12g Supporter "Philanthropist"

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    not the bipod.....its your shooting technique

    all bagged guns will shoot better than on a bipod period , nothing to do with the bipod its self
  12. Rossignol

    Rossignol The Original Sheriff Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator Sponsor

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    Am I doomed to sub par accuracy then with a bipod? Shoot more and get better so I suck less? lol
    Recommendations? Would a bedded stock help?
  13. oli700

    oli700 12g Supporter "Philanthropist"

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    lol, I wouldn't say sub par at all, your gtg as far as Im concerned
    just saying that it is extremely difficult for anyone to have technique good enough to shoot as good off a bi pod as good they shoot off a bagged gun.....a proper baged gun takes the shooter way out of the equation
    I have spent a lot of time on both
    I think if your going down the road of tight grouping each and every time your not going to have a budget rifle anymore.

    Personally I would use the bipod as a rest on that rifle and not preoad it at all.......

    Then I would go after the trigger if I wanted tighter groups....... but I wouldn't want to be in your cross hairs as it stands wrapped in that cool shit you had on it
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  14. Rossignol

    Rossignol The Original Sheriff Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator Sponsor

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    Lol, well the only thing I intend to have in my cross hairs are errant dogs! I'm not looking for single hole groups. For my purposes, it's that first cold bore shot that's really matters. MOA is my goal. Every time. But I'm not interested in going down that rabbit hole if it means doubling the cost of the rifle. I'd consider a stock but that's about it.
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  15. Rossignol

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    Just got an order of 60 gr VMax from Freedom Munitions. I'll do some shooting tomorrow and see how it goes. I've not fired anything heavier than 55 gr before now and the Hornady VMax has produced some of my best repeatable groups of around 1.19 MOA.

    I got the once fired brass for $.49 a round which actually makes these less than what I can buy FMJ for locally.
  16. Rossignol

    Rossignol The Original Sheriff Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator Sponsor

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    Did a couple groups this morning. POA is good with the 60 gr VMax so no adjustment. I'll try some 50 gr next time.

    First group about 2" MOA

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    Second group slightly better. I allowed the barrel to cool and the shot on the bull was the first shot.

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    The budget rifle is not disappointing. If I never get anything better out of it I'm good with this.
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  17. Water Monkey

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    I'm thinking you're gonna like the lighter bullet weight's grouping.

    I've had the same thing happen in my MVP. 60gr+ didn't group as well as 55gr. And 50gr grouped the best with repeatable sub MOA groups

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  18. CaddmannQ

    CaddmannQ 12g Supporter

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    Why am I grouping better with heavier bullets and poorer with lighter bullets?

    I have shot 55, 60, 65, 68, 75 & 77, and so far my best luck has been with the 75 grain. Now those were not all the same brand bullets. Certainly not all set to the same pressure.

    Some were Noslers, some were Hornadays, and some were Sierras.

    I think I am pushing a little more pressure than the factory loads. ;)

    I'm going to try a little more pressure behind the 68 grn Nosler and see if I can best the 75 grn Hornaday performance.
  19. Water Monkey

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    What's your twist rate?
  20. Rossignol

    Rossignol The Original Sheriff Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator Sponsor

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    His is the same 1:9

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