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How is this even physically possible?

Discussion in 'Ammunition' started by Tom396, Dec 1, 2017.

  1. Tom396

    Tom396 .30-06

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  2. Elbert Garrett

    Elbert Garrett .30-06 Supporter

    Interesting! I`m not sure how thay are able to pack the extra 3 pellets in there but I would imagine it`s good stuff....I really like the mini buck and have tried out their buck and ball.

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  3. John A.

    John A. I'm "THAT" guy Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

    If I were guessing, they are using fast burning powder that takes a small charge to achieve the pressure. I know that I was surprised with how Enforcer powder is. It's like black salt. Not saying that's what nobel sport is using in these shells but just giving an example.

    Anyway, that seems like one method to fit more in there is to use "non-conventional" powders and charges.
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  4. MikeD

    MikeD I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator "Philanthropist"

    What John said!!

    I reloaded shotgun shells for many years and physical volume of powder needed changed dramatically with fhe type of powder.

    I typically went the other way, working down to 7/8 ounce 12g loads to save money and reduce recoil on the skeet range.

    In most shells a lot of volume is also consumed by the wad and/or shotcup, they may have minimized that even furthur as well.
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  5. nitesite

    nitesite Sheepdog Moderator "Philanthropist"

    One guess is that instead of a deep plastic shot cup with a hollow cushion these shells have little more than a solid and thinner wad base over the powder. That would leave room for one more layer of three balls.

    As far as speed, there are 9-pellet buck loads going 1600-fps so I see no surprise that a 12-pellet payload can get to 1290.

    Also, the 2-3/4" shell length is a FIRED length. Most buck loads have petals on the mouth of the hull which when unfolded are longer than a roll crimp would create. They cleverly used a roll crimp to keep within the total length but unfired they are probably a millimeter or two longer because of that roll crimp.
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  6. Blackknight

    Blackknight .410

    I wonder if it kicks more than a 'normal' 00 buck shell?
  7. CaddmannQ

    CaddmannQ 12g Supporter

    I would like one of you guys to take one apart, and see how round the balls are. If they're really jamming them in there tight they would be a little flat here and there.
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  8. John A.

    John A. I'm "THAT" guy Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

    I doubt that you'll crimp a shell tight enough to cause deformation of lead.
  9. CaddmannQ

    CaddmannQ 12g Supporter

    I've never done roll crimping so I don't know how hard you can stuff things, and I'd have no idea how the factory does the shells.

    I believe they can't use a regular shot cup.

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