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Discussion in 'Non-Firearm Related' started by CaddmannQ, Jul 25, 2018.

  1. CaddmannQ

    CaddmannQ 12g Supporter

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    From our local newspaper the Fresno flea:

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    Attorneys, who wouldn't be defending people who shouldn't be here at all, are worried that the rights (of clients that they don't have the right to have) are being violated by a system that is not responsible to them but to citizens.

    And what kind of message does this procedure send?

    Don't come here illegally or you'll get arrested! Maybe not today & maybe not tomorrow, but if ICE finds out you are an illegal your interests and concerns become moot.
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  2. Pawpaw

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    What do they think this is... a bunch of kids playing a game?

    "Okay. The courthouse is home base. As long as you're touching it, you can't be tagged out." o_O
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  3. CaddmannQ

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    It's so sad that it is being treated this way, and it has cost a lot of money and a lot of lives, because people value emotion over reason.

    They were trained this way all their lives, watching the TV, by marketing people who make advertisements.

    The first thing I learned in sales school is that people do not often buy for logical reasons.

    They select products based on emotional reasons (whether they know it or not.) And marketers toy with those emotions to get people to do basically unreasonable things.

    When it comes to things like TV and advertising you simply cannot believe your eyes. Everything is Magic!

    Subconsciously we know all our given data is unreliable and therefore we just go with our gut feelings.

    This is how people select soap, shoes, senators, and presidents: Based on their feelings of the matter.

    The data tells us that they're all suspicious and if they're all probably Crooks, then all we're doing is choosing the lesser of evils.
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  4. CaddmannQ

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    So when it comes to Illegal immigration and that problem, what people are choosing to do is maintain the status quo. They choose this over upholding a law that has been long ignored (to the benefit of some people and the detriment of others.)

    Hillary would have done that Trump will not.
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  5. John A.

    John A. I'm "THAT" guy Staff Member Global Moderator Forum Moderator

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    This is why critical thinking skills are important.

    If you are not a citizen of this country, US Citizens rights do not pertain to you.

    If I go to France (just a wild example because I would never degrade myself that low) but just saying that I went to France and I broke their law.

    My rights as an American do not apply while I am on trial in France. I have to abide by their laws and rules and processes.

    To make it even more simple for those that are having a hard time wrapping their head around this, if I leave Kentucky and I go to New York or California (again I wouldn't degrade myself to that level, but again just using it as an example) I have to follow all laws that that are in NY or California. And if I do not, I could be arrested, prosecuted and jailed while in the state of NY or California.

    This should not be that hard to understand.
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  6. ripjack13

    ripjack13 Resident Sawdust Maker Staff Member Administrator Supporter "Philanthropist"

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    I didn't know ICE needed an invitation to be there....:doh:
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  7. CaddmannQ

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    That's how they have been treating the US of A for the past 40 years.

    Anyhow, this morning there was dissatisfaction from the judge over the fact that ice had disrupted his schedule and now he expects that a lot of people won't show up to court at all.

    Okay, is this the same court system that claims that they are so overburdened that they can't properly observe the laws?

    Hey those guys are NOT coming to court! Get caught up on your schedule now!

    Take a day off!

    Clearly you folks need some time to get your thoughts together on this matter and remember that you are American citizens protecting American citizens from those who are not American citizens!

    Any lawyer or judge who has a problem with that should find another occupation.

    But when you start screwing with the language you can make things look their opposite.

    From the Fresno flea this morning...

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    She completely ignores the fact that if local and state governments interfere with the federal law, and protect illegal aliens from the law, then they become complicit in the crime of Border jumping.

    This is a conspiracy of the largest type. Cities and jurisdictions across California are lining up to either defend the Constitution or defend the illegals.

    Nobody has the right to treatment as a citizen in a country where they are not a citizen. Referring to their criminal status as a citizenship status ignores the fact that foreign felons do not have the right to US citizenship.

    IIRC, People jumping our borders technically lose all rights to citizenship until they are cleared by a judge for that crime.

    If you are here illegally you have no "citizenship status", because it is not legal for you to become a citizen at that point, without some special dispensation.
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  8. John A.

    John A. I'm "THAT" guy Staff Member Global Moderator Forum Moderator

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    Maria Romani is a dumbass.

    I usually try to refrain from calling people that I don't know names most of the time based on a quote that I read, but when you say stupid things, it makes me think that is the roof of your intelligence level. And when that intelligence level is several floors below common sense that says if you're not supposed to be in a country, and you are found ANYWHERE inside that country regardless of whether it was hiding in an outhouse on the back roads of route 66, or the state supreme court, is of little difference in the eyes of the laws that says if you are here and are not supposed to be, and are caught being here when you're not supposed to be, that we have a right to remove you from being here.

    I wonder how Ms. Romani would feel about finding an intruder in her closet? I bet she would have a really different opinion about wanting that person removed in a hurry.

    That's just it, there is no distinction between the two situations. If you're not supposed to be here, GTFO.
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  9. CaddmannQ

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    Just because Maria says that everyone "has a right" shouldn't convince anyone, but it's clearly good enough for the Fresno Flea.

    If that right was written down in the Bill of Rights I would be convinced.

    But lots of folks will be convinced just because it was printed in the Flea. After all they have such a great mascot!

    Scoopy the Bee:
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    Walt Disney drew the mascot for the Fresno Bee like 60 years ago. But like the other McClatchy newspapers it has dwindled in size and importance to a mere flea of its former glory.
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  10. CaddmannQ

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    By the way, I didn't mention that the guy they picked up at the courthouse in this case was indeed illegal, and had been deported several times previously.

    His attorney is an officer of the court and if in fact this attorney knew these facts before taking the case ( that his client was illegal and had been repeatedly deported) he should be censured by a judge. Not disbarred perhaps, but at least fined and admonished, if not jailed.

    Then again Clinton got disbarred for lying to the court, so what the hell . . . disbar them!

    An officer of the Court who witnesses a crime and does not report it, or who knows of a crime and obscures the fact, is guilty of a great deal in the eyes of the law.
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  11. meanstreak

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    Another liberal scheme. What I don't understand is the fact that so many conservatives are just sitting around letting this kind of stuff go on.
  12. MikeD

    MikeD I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator "Philanthropist"

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    So, if I show up at the courthouse with a gun I cannot be arrested because it interferes with my right to due process and access the judicial system?

    Funny how selective we are when it comes to enforcing laws and policies.

    And these are the same people that keep telling us that profiling is bad.
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  13. John A.

    John A. I'm "THAT" guy Staff Member Global Moderator Forum Moderator

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    ^ You know, you're right.

    But they don't really accept logic unless it makes their feelers tingle.

    That doesn't sound any better now that I typed it than it did in my head either.
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  14. TJ Johnson

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    "My rights don't end where your feelings begin"> Grunt T-Shirt
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  15. CaddmannQ

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    Yeah, they SHOULD need proof in order to change my rights.

    Supposition, speculation, and emotions are insufficient, either separately or collectively.

    These Statehouse Lawyers had better rely on hard cold facts. They better not sell us out just to dodge a pitchfork that they deserve.
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