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Largest Mass Shooting in Canadian History - The renewed gun control battle begins...

Discussion in 'Gun Rights, Fights and Rallies' started by cmcdonald, Apr 21, 2020.

  1. CaddmannQ

    CaddmannQ 12g Supporter

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    Coverage of this in California has been almost nothing. I saw 1" in the newspaper 10 days ago. Scant mention on the news.

    Everything here is Trump-hate pieces or public interest about coping with covid.
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  2. oli700

    oli700 12g Supporter "Philanthropist"

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    Canada and the US has been competing to see who can cross the stupid line first......Canada wins. We arent far behind......maybe we need to exchange some of our population and get realigned .........All you conservative Canadians got to move here and our leftists can go north . I hate the insects and permafrost.
    Its all part of the plan to stamp out free thinking people , 50% of our country isn't talking to the other 50%......not good.
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  3. John A.

    John A. I'm "THAT" guy Staff Member Administrator Global Moderator

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    I don't want to hear what the other 37.3% thinks (it's not really half the population that thinks that way anyway). They just want to have an equal voice, while trying to scream over top of yours.
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  4. meanstreak

    meanstreak .30-06 Supporter "Philanthropist"

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    We are living in bizarro world. I watch the news and it is surreal what is taking place.
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  5. cmcdonald

    cmcdonald Forum Moderator Staff Member Moderator Supporter "Philanthropist"

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    Hey guys, been busy the last week. There’s been a lot of letter writing going on. There are at least two lawsuits being launched against this latest government order, one by Canada’s National Firearms Association and Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights.

    I have been a member of the NFA for quite sometime but I just recently joined the CCFR in order to support their endeavour as well. These two groups are not known for getting along but I don’t care about that. I want what’s best for everyone. The Canadian Shooting Sports Association basically rounds out the big gun rights players in Canada. They got together and sent a joint statement to the media calling for the resignation of the public safety minister and a rescinding of the prohibition order.
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  6. cmcdonald

    cmcdonald Forum Moderator Staff Member Moderator Supporter "Philanthropist"

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  7. meanstreak

    meanstreak .30-06 Supporter "Philanthropist"

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    That's the way the media and the left do things down here as well. The media provides the cover for the inaction of government agencies that could prevent these atrocities.
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  8. John A.

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    After scrolling further down the page, I also see where truedumb is preventing giving out subsidies to businesses that do not support green energy bs.

    Seems a bit prejudice to me actually.
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  9. cmcdonald

    cmcdonald Forum Moderator Staff Member Moderator Supporter "Philanthropist"

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    Oh the d-bag is ALL about this kind of crap. You don’t like the green agenda...that’s idiotic and unCanadian. You don’t like jihadists returning home to Canada...that’s bigoted and unCanadian.

    Media that don’t support my political agenda...no money for you and that’s unCanadian. Yeah you heard me... This was before the last election. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/journalists-question-media-bailout-1.5147761

    Dammit John you had to go and get me started...
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  10. John A.

    John A. I'm "THAT" guy Staff Member Administrator Global Moderator

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    You know me. I will tell the truth as I see it, even if it causes liberals to be uncomfortable and cry and look for their safe space and Crayola's.
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  11. Ernst

    Ernst 20g Supporter "Philanthropist"

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  12. cmcdonald

    cmcdonald Forum Moderator Staff Member Moderator Supporter "Philanthropist"

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    A brief (sort of) update to all this...both the investigation into the mass shooting and the Order in Council (OIC) to ban / confiscate a large selection of firearms (dubbed a "crisis-tunity")

    - We already knew something was afoot when the RCMP wouldn't say if the pyscho-turd ball was a licensed owner and what guns were used. We knew this because within minutes of them ID'ing the perp they would have the information at their fingertips. It turns out as we thought, not a licensed owner and all guns used were obtained illegally. (So much for gun control preventing shootings)
    - The investigation continues and what they are uncovering just reeks to high heaven of some government / police cover-up with respect to the shooter's criminal history and reports by the public about his illegal weapons stash and threats to neighbors. Some are suggesting he was possibly a confidential informant or more likely an agent due to the method by which he withdrew a huge amount of cash just prior to the massacre...methods not available to the general public but apparently consistent with how agents are paid...this from police sources.
    - This would go a long way to explain the government's initial resistance to calling a full public inquiry...namely they may have skin in the game and could bear a large responsibility for what happened and certainly for what didn't happen before-hand.
    - This is all primary to the secondary but overall "keystone cop" routine that unfolded for 13 hours until the shooter needed gas and they stumbled on him by accident at a gas station and finally took him out.

    As far as the sweeping ban enacted by the government shortly after, the ban list has continued to grow behind the scenes as more and more brands, types and models are added to the FRT (Firearms Reference Table) with no notice to anyone. The initial OIC included some 1500 models and as of June has ballooned to around 9500 models, including certain shotguns and even a few 22's.

    (https://thegunblog.ca/2020/06/16/rcmp-publishes-expanded-list-of-guns-ordered-for-confiscation/)

    I don't know if the 715T made it back off the ban list, but because it resembles an AR, so...banned!! This has of course needlessly complicated things for all gun owners and jeopardized the livelihoods of thousands and thousands of Canadian firearms businesses. There are thousands of businesses sitting on now banned stock that they cannot sell or otherwise do anything with. If they are able, they can send stock back to their suppliers but that is a maze of complications and legal mumbo-jumbo for many. Some were imported and cannot be exported = stuck.

    Among other issues, the government is literally floundering in their attempts to manage their hastily implemented ban and are having trouble finding a contractor to run the buyback / confiscation program for them. Apparently, they've put out numerous notices for contract tender and there are NO TAKERS...NONE. LOL! It would seem in their rush to grab guns they hadn't thought things through. Also, (gotta love bureaucrats that act too fast) the CFP (Canadian Firearms Program) has been sending notices to firearms owners that their registrations have been "nullified"...a word that does not exist in Canadian firearms law. They are using it as an attempt to prevent individual license holders from appealing the decision and challenging it in court which is allowed under the law, but the word used in the law is "revoked" or "revocation" not nullified. So, they have essentially shot themselves in the foot by not using their own recognized terminology and there has been legal precedent set recently in an Alberta court where the judge found that the nullification was indeed the same as revocation and so agreed that the licensee had grounds to appeal.

    This is all in addition to the many legal challenges that have been launched since May 1st. It is unfortunate that Trudeau's minority government continues to be propped up by other leftist parties as they seek to fulfill their own agendas. Trudeau is regularly pilloried in Parliament but the opposition lefties see an opportunity to gain votes the next time around and so they continue to prop up our own "lame duck" leader. Trudeau has continued to have scandal after scandal and is already pushing a bigger green agenda while the country is sucking wind. We had our highest daily death toll this last Thursday and he came out with his new enviro-plan to tax us out of carbon emissions and green economy agenda the very next day without a mention of the deaths the previous day...I can't even begin to adequately express my utter disdain for Trudeau so I won't even try.

    He was already slapped down once this summer for floating the idea of grand environmental reforms while everyone else just wants to get through this damn pandemic. The guy is pathetic and I just can't believe people continue to vote for him...it boggles my mind.

    I smell another "crisis-tunity".
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  13. CaddmannQ

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    I think USA gun grabbers should take notice. When they finally do find such a company here, it will probably turn out to be a secret Iranian outfit backed by the Chinese. We will not be as polite about that as the Canadians might be.
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  14. cmcdonald

    cmcdonald Forum Moderator Staff Member Moderator Supporter "Philanthropist"

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    Agreed.

    We are at a critical crossroads and it is now no longer possible to justifiably ignore malevolent, foreign entities that have made significant efforts (with some success) to cause western countries to literally trip over themselves. We are now devouring each other and they just keep fanning the flames. It is sad that so many people don’t see how foreign interference has impacted their own perception of the world; And have abandoned the often difficult but oh so necessary critical thinking that is foundational to keeping free societies free.
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  15. meanstreak

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    CM, I think we are at a point in history in the USA that most, at least folks over 60, never imagined we would be. I had conversations 5 years ago when it looked like Hillary might be Obama 2.0 about gun control measures that she would/could undertake. The lackadaisical attitude I encountered was surprising to say the least. Now here we are one presidential term later and not only gun control is at stake, but also the courts, the electoral college, and the whole constitution for that matter. I only hope those same folks are more tuned in now and are taking all of this seriously.

    Canadian and American patriots must support one another. We stand shoulder to shoulder.
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  16. cmcdonald

    cmcdonald Forum Moderator Staff Member Moderator Supporter "Philanthropist"

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    It is hard to not feel like we are reaching critical mass...something is gonna blow somewhere. And, yeah the laid back attitude of so many people who can’t see the forest for the trees is frightening. I think some people just can’t handle the notion that all is not well...not well at all. They can’t face it.

    I also can’t understand why people are running around these free lands begging the government to take their freedoms away. That baffles me more than anything else.
  17. CaddmannQ

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    I trace a lot of it back to the women’s lib movement.

    Basically a lot of men were just ruined by the whole business.
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  18. John A.

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    Gun control isn't about controlling crime. Never was.

    War on guns has been ongoing for decades.

    They're wanting to make guns the next alcohol and cocaine. (reference prohibition and the war on drugs)
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