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MVP Varmint vs Ruger M77 Hawkeye vs CZ527 Varmint

Discussion in 'Mossberg MVP Bolt Action' started by Daryll, Nov 24, 2018.

  1. Daryll

    Daryll .270 WIN Supporter

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    I realise that the Mossberg forums may not be the place for an un-biased opinion... :lol:
    .. but I'm looking for a new .223.
    My requirements are for a bolt action rifle, at least 24'' Heavy/Varmint barrel, 1:9 or 1:8 twist, to throw 55 to 75 gn bullets upto 600 yds.

    My local gunshop can get me new MVP Varmints, or new CZ 527 Varmints, or he has a used Ruger M77 Hawkeye Varmint Target. The MVP is about £700, the CZ and Ruger are both around £850
    (yes, I know thats a lot more than you'd pay.... makes me sick!!)

    So.. if you had the choice, which one would you go for..?

    Daryll
  2. nitesite

    nitesite Sheepdog Moderator "Philanthropist"

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    Well, you will require a 1:7" or 1:8" twist if you are shooting 75s.

    If all copper 75s you definitely need 1:7".

    As you know, 55 up to 64-gr would be fine with 1:9" but they don't fly to 600 worth shit.

    If it were me I would go with the CZ for the overall higher quality but the rifle only comes 1:9" which will never shoot MOA to 600-yards. And they have that weird scope base "issue".

    I'd pick the Ruger Hawkeye Vamint next but it too is 1:9" twist. Durn it. Again not a 600 yard rifle unless you have perfect conditions and then it's not MOA.
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  3. Daryll

    Daryll .270 WIN Supporter

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    Thanks nitesite, thats strange...

    Over here, the majority of match bullets are 69gn, with people going up to 75 to buck the wind... but generally the fastest twist available here is 1:9... I think Tikka does a 1:8, but thats about it.
    Many of the "Varmint" rifles are 1:12 (like the older CZ varmints are) to accomodate 30/40/50gn bullets, but the "target" rifles tend to be 1:9.

    I've even had people say they've shot well with 50gn and 1:12 twist out to 600....

    Presumably with the "scope base issue" you mean the 16mm dovetail..? (its a European thing..) but several manufacturers make rings for that.. or you can buy a picatinny rail to fit on them...
  4. nitesite

    nitesite Sheepdog Moderator "Philanthropist"

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    When shooters get out to 600 yards what sort of accuracy can they achieve with shorter bullets and slower twists?
  5. John A.

    John A. I'm "THAT" guy Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Yeah, a 1:7 twist is geared more towards heavier bullets.

    1:7 became more popular back around 2004 or so. Actually, it didn't really even exist much until the Mk12 Mod0 SPR (special purpose rifle) was created back in 2000 in the midst of the Iraqi war.

    I'll be entirely honest, while I have a few 1:7 twist barrels, I generally like a 1;8 better because they tend to do better all around. At least for me and how I shoot. Granted that I don't shoot long range. Most days 100 yards is farther than I shoot and 75 yards is most common.

    I just like the 1:8 because it shoots the heavier and lighter bullets about as equally well. The 1:7's don't like some of the lighter varmint loads any more than the 1:9's like the heavy long bullets.

    None of my 1:9 twists like anything much heavier than 68 or 69 gr. That's about where my AR's fizzle out and I don't really keep much stock on hand heavier than that either because they cost too much.

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