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Discussion in 'Mossberg 464 Lever Action' started by COSteve, Apr 6, 2018.

  1. COSteve

    COSteve Copper BB

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    Good Morning from Colorado. I thought I'd join up here after lurking for a while. Long time shooter (over 60 yrs), veteran, and retired. I've owned a walnut stocked 464 since April, 2012 and really enjoy it. I had both a pre-64 Win 94 and a Marlin way back some 40 yrs ago and didn't like either one. The Win had too floppy of a lever and trigger and the Marlin was too clunky so I sold each of them. We don't use a 30-30 out here for hunting so I just did without but after I quit hunting days, I still liked the idea of a 'thudy-thudy' for my collection (it's one of 8 leverguns).

    Anyway, in 2012 I decided to get one, just because, and looked around at what was what. The Win and Marlins were no better than my old ones and so I gave the Mossberg 464 a look. Liking what I saw, I picked up a NIB one and have enjoyed it. I handload 16 different calibers so I've got a few loads I use with it. My wife's favorite is a 150grn X-Treme plated bullet plinking load I use with W760 powder. I have an Win 70 in '06 and the 8lb keg of W760 I got for it will last me 100yrs so found a good plinking load for 30-30.

    It's a great shooter as is with it's Marbles sights so I've left it stock. I really love to plink at bowling pins out at 200yds with it.

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  2. CaddmannQ

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    I have the Mariner carbine model of the 464, and it's not quite as accurate, but it's still a real fun gun to shoot.

    I would like to have another 464 in blue steel and Walnut, but in a pistol caliber. I have a .357 Henry lever gun which I really like, because of both the fabulous action and the caliber.

    I wouldn't mind having a 464 chambered for .38, .357 or 9mm.

    BTW, I think everybody would like to see your other lever guns.

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  3. COSteve

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    Happy to oblige. After I retired in 2007, I started to rebuild my levergun collection that I'd had to abandon while the kids were growing and bills needed paying. Hope you all enjoy.

    My Henry H001 was my first re-acquisition of my collection. I got it NIB in early 2009 and as you can see, it's a bit customized. Fun to plink with and the kids like it. The standard stock on the H001 is actually too long for it both in scale and in fact as it's the same length as a real Model 92 rifle length. So, I got a youth model buttstock which is the same length as my Model 92 carbine's buttstock and now it both looks better and allows me to get up close with the rear aperture.

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    Like CaddmannQ, I love leverguns in pistol calibers. So, I got the itch for a 357mag after I shot a friend's beautiful Browning. After a bit of research including talking to Steve Young of Steve's Guns (better known as The Rossi Specialist) I picked up 2 NIB Rossi 357mags in 2009, a rifle and carbine. Using Steve's DvD and parts, I slicked up the actions and lightened the triggers. Then I added better sights. They are a blast to shoot and with handloading, my 158grn ammo costs me less than 22mag.

    I use the rifle with it's tang sight and 30" sight radius to shoot at steel targets at 300yds!. It's great fun. Both are surprisingly accurate as both are good for a 6" steel plate at 100yds. As I was in the Armored Cav. way back in the mid 60s, I decided that my Single Action should be a copy of the first Colt Peacemaker, an 1873 Cavalry model. It's chambered in 357mag so it makes a great sidearm when woods walking with my Rossi.

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    As I said, I decided to get my Mossberg 464 in 2012.

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    Later that year, I found what I'd been looking for for over 20 years, a great example of a Winchester 88 in .308. I wanted one with great wood and in like new condition. I hit the jackpot with this 1959 beauty. In deference to my 70 year old eyes, I decided to scope it so I added a Redfield Revolution 3-9 and it's set up to be a great hunter. I'm past going deer and elk hunting anymore so it's promised to my son. I do like long range shooting so I've shot steel plates at 400yds with it. Lots of fun.

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    I stumbled upon a absolute steal on a NIB Uberti 1873 rifle in 45 Colt in early 2013 that I couldn't pass up. Yes, I know that Winchester never offered it in 45 Colt but I also wanted a SA Army in 45 Colt so it was a natural. In keeping with my rifle and carbine idea with my '92s, I looked for a NIB Uberti 1866 Yellowboy carbine in 45 Colt too and stumbled upon one later that year at my local gunshop so it came home too.

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    I decided that I needed to round out my collection with a Savage 99 in 300 Savage so I went looking for one. I found this 1949 EG model in my local gunshop on consignment. After a bit of back and forth, it came home with me just as you see it with an early 60's Weaver V7 II 2.5-7 scope.

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  4. CaddmannQ

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    That's a very impressive sight especially the 88 and the 99.

    I own just three lever guns myself & I don't have much history with them.

    I love my .22 Henry and think it is the most fun plinking gun with a lever.

    The .357 Henry is wonderful and the .30-30 464 is just a little beast.

    But I will definitely be in the market for another interesting lever gun in the future.

    I own a single action revolver but it is an Italian replica. I don't think it compares well to a real Colt, and so I haven't really been interested in the Italian lever guns myself.
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  5. COSteve

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    The Ubertis, both rifles and pistols, are actually very well made and durable as proven by their wide use in CASS where they see a ton of use. Not a lot of full power loads but a lot of rds. I put a spring kit in each Cattleman pistol and smoothed the actions just a lick. They are both very slick and have been reliable through the 1,200 or so rds I got through the Cavalry model and 700 rds through the Army model. Decently accurate with the Zero JSP 158grn and Berry's 158grn plated bullets I shoot through both the Cavalry model and my Rossis. I shoot Elmer Keith style 255grn hardcast lead through the Army model pistol and 255grn X-Treme plated bullets through the rifle and carbines.

    Slicked up, the Rossis are a joy. A friend has a real Winchester '92 in 44-40 his grandpa got right before WWII and it's real nice. I've compared it to my Rossis and they are pretty faithful to the design, however, they aren't machined inside as smoothly as the Winchester but they cycle just as well; better since I slicked them up with Steve's $58 action kit. Both have over 4K rds and both are like new. Rossi moved it's manufacturing plant to a new location with new equipment last year. That's why availability has been poor, however, their CS told me that shipments to the distributors has started and we should be seeing them soon.

    While I agree, the Mossberg isn't usually a plinking platform due largely to it's high recoil for it's performance, I've found that my plinking handloads running about 2,000fps with a 150grn plated bullet, with their significantly lower recoil and cheap cost, give me the ability to shoot it pretty much as often as I like. As I said in the picture thread, I've got a bit over 500rds through it and it's really a pleasant shooter. Even my 5'0", 100lb wife of 44yrs likes to shoot it.

    As I do almost all of my long gun shooting at 200yds or longer, I have to keep on top of my fundamentals. My dad taught me to "Aim small, miss small" while shooting at pine cones, dirt clods, etc., and that's what I still do today. Retired with a private range only 10 minutes away, I've got the time and the resources to shoot as often as I like so I do, frequently.
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  6. John A.

    John A. I'm "THAT" guy Staff Member Global Moderator Forum Moderator

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    You sound like my kind of people.
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  7. lonestarjeff

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    Great collection of lever guns. Plus I like the matching caliber revolvers.
  8. COSteve

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  9. meanstreak

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    Steve, first off, welcome to the forum. Secondly, excellent collection. I have three levers myself but don't get to shoot as often as I like or should.

    Have a great day and stay vigilant.
  10. MikeD

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    Welcome from MI!!
  11. CaddmannQ

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    I have a Rossi evil Roy .38/.357 and compared to a Colt or S&W it's crap IMHO. I wouldn't bother trying to shoot .357s from one of these.

    I decided to start another Thread about this in the wheel guns room: Uberti letdown.

    I had three serious problems with the Rossi evil Roy and they have not yet been resolved.

    The first one is that the main cylinder pin would get dented and burred a little bit, by it's release/retainer every time I fired the gun. It was worse when I shot .357s.

    That burr would prevent the main pin from being removed easily.

    Eventually I figured out that I needed to reshape the notch in the main pin so it made better contact with the retainer. The groove in the pin just had the wrong radius on it.

    Also I think the main pin is too soft and needs to be D2 steel or something harder than the release/retainer. If it gets damaged it is easily removed and replaced but not so the main pin!

    Anyhow I made that work.

    The second issue is that the cylinder was not honed the same on all six holes. One was ridged bit, and one ringed even worse.

    Whenever I shot the gun those two holes would hang on to the spent case. With .357s they swell a little bit more and I literally had to hammer the cases out of the chambers.

    I measured them carefully and I can hone the cylinders out a bit, but the fit will never be 100% because there is undercutting. If I hone it enough to remove that the chambers will be too large.

    The third problem is the screw that retains the ejector mount to the muzzle end of the barrel. There's not enough threads on the screw and there's not enough threads in the barrel.

    After less than 50 rounds it Shook loose and I tightened it. In fact every screw on the gun had shook loose and I clean and lubed and tightened the entire thing.

    The rest of the gun stays pretty tight, but I have 200 rounds through this pistol now and that screw cannot stay tight.

    Red Loctite will hold it for a little while but after about 6 rounds the muzzle heats up and it just melts.

    You run 6 more through it and that little screw shakes loose.
  12. meanstreak

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    Man Cadd, that just sucks. One would hope the manufacturer would stand behind their product.

    I have been wanting a .357 revolver for sometime. Almost 50 years ago I had a model 19 S&W. It was a great gun but I needed some quick cash and a friend offered me more than I paid for it.

    I guess I'll stay away from Rossi.
  13. CaddmannQ

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    A lot of people love these guns so it's quite possible that I just got a lemon.

    I paid extra for the Evil Roy model which was supposed to be their special fancy finish, plus a custom trigger job.

    The trigger on this gun is really great. It's also pretty accurate. I just wish it would stay together.
  14. Scoop

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    Welcome, Steve, to Mossberg Owners from E TN.
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  15. COSteve

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    Thanks to all. I'm really enamored with my 464. While I agree that the 30-30 isn't normally a plinking rd, my plinking handload is a ton of fun to shoot in it and it's coming to the range more and more with me. Along with my Rossi 357mags, its my favorite levergun to have fun with and I'm keeping in time with it in case a chance to hunt some hogs on some friend's land it both Oklahoma and Texas materialize. I'd love to give my 464 a go on some hogs (along with my Mini-14 and my Win 88 for some longer shots).

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