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Noticing a lot of pistol caliber carbines being sold

Discussion in 'Long Guns' started by John A., Jul 18, 2017.

  1. SHOOTER13

    SHOOTER13 Guest


    Copy that...I already have a Voodoo Tactical Scabbard that has Molle webbing for my PG Mossy 500...so yea...that would be a good way to have it at the ready when hiking / camping.

  2. cmcdonald

    cmcdonald Forum Moderator Staff Member Moderator Supporter "Philanthropist"

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    I’ve been bouncing back and forth between buying the KT Sub2000 or the Beretta CX4 for quite awhile now.

    I’m sad to say it’s unlikely I’ll own more than one pistol caliber carbine so I need to choose carefully. Quality is going to be pretty high on the list. If the CZ Scorpion was on the table it would be a slam-dunk. Unfortunately, it’s not...it’s a “restricted” firearm up here. Which means like my pistol, can only go to the gun range and back.

    I want/need something that can travel with me and go camping & hunting with me. So even that starts to narrow my choices more. The KT would be a great backpack/camp gun...no doubt there. But I’d also like to try it as a close range varmint killer. And, I’m not really sure the KT will cut it.

    I’d also like to put an optic on for varmint duty as well. Though I know it’s possible on the KT but it’s more straightforward on the Beretta.

    From everything I’ve read over the last few years, it seems the Beretta is the superior firearm...save some who hate the trigger. Otherwise, it reviews extremely well.

    So I’m fairly settled on the CX4 now. But I’m open to suggestions. Keep in mind our selection is limited here by our ass-backwards laws.
  3. John A.

    John A. Unconstitutional laws are not laws. Staff Member Administrator Global Moderator

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    Have you looked at the Ruger pistol cal carbine yet? Not sure if you can own it, but since it just came out, I doubt it has landed on anyones restricted list yet. It reminds me a lot of the old marlin camp carbines.

    Which may be another one to look into if you can.

    The ruger uses both ruger and glock mags by exchanging the magwell insert.

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  4. cmcdonald

    cmcdonald Forum Moderator Staff Member Moderator Supporter "Philanthropist"

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    I’ll have to look that one up John. Being a “new” firearm it can take the CFP (Canadian Firearms Program) lab ridiculous amounts of time to determine the “appropriate” classification before importers can distribute to their dealers.

    If the CFP determines either by insufficient barrel length or the dubious it’s “easily convertible to full automatic” verdict it will end up restricted at best or even prohibited. We always hope and pray for a non-restricted designation.

    Beretta actually makes a Canadian version of the CX4 with a 19” barrel...which is a bit of downer for overall length but it’s better than the alternative. :(
  5. cmcdonald

    cmcdonald Forum Moderator Staff Member Moderator Supporter "Philanthropist"

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    So, as the Ruger PC 9 sits now at 16.5in barrel it will net a spot on the restricted firearm list in Canada.

    However, I did see a Reddit thread with what appeared to be a reliable source saying that if the model sells well enough in the states they will look at a non-restricted 18.5” barrel for us. So, it will likely be a year or more before we see any here....if it sells.
  6. cmcdonald

    cmcdonald Forum Moderator Staff Member Moderator Supporter "Philanthropist"

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    Wondering if @SHOOTER13 has pulled the trigger on new pistol caliber carbine yet?
  7. Tom396

    Tom396 .30-06

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    I'm going to keep watching to see if they introduce a .40 S&W model. I happen to think pistol caliber carbines are pretty awesome. Take care. Tom Worthington
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  8. John A.

    John A. Unconstitutional laws are not laws. Staff Member Administrator Global Moderator

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    Yeah, me too.

    I don't get to appreciate the distance that most all rifle calibers are capable of. Where I live and hunt, pistol calibers are more than enough to put meat on the table.

    Maybe a slight hijack, but here is one of my favorite pistol cal's. It's a 38/357 single shot. With one particular 357 load that I have worked up, with jacketed bullets, I can get 1800 fps out of them.

    [​IMG]
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  9. cmcdonald

    cmcdonald Forum Moderator Staff Member Moderator Supporter "Philanthropist"

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    That’s a handsome lookin’ firearm John!
  10. John A.

    John A. Unconstitutional laws are not laws. Staff Member Administrator Global Moderator

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    Thanks. It's in pretty good shape to be almost 20 years old.

    I don't think he even put a whole box of shells through the gun. It started off as a little 410 shotgun until I got the 357, 20 and 12 gauge barrels for it.
  11. Sinkhole

    Sinkhole .410

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    Did some one say PCC? IF you don't own one you need to buy one. I love this little rifle.

    [​IMG]
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  12. John A.

    John A. Unconstitutional laws are not laws. Staff Member Administrator Global Moderator

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    Oh yeah baby.
  13. Water Monkey

    Water Monkey The man, the myth, the monkey Moderator Supporter

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    Ahhh the new ruger out in the wild. NICE!
  14. John A.

    John A. Unconstitutional laws are not laws. Staff Member Administrator Global Moderator

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    You just know that ATI is already working on a pistol grip stock for that thing. :)

    I just noticed, that looks like a regular 10/22 trigger assembly. Makes me wonder if the nicer bx trigger components would drop in giving a much lighter and nicer pull.

    Things that make me go hmmm.

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  15. Sinkhole

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    I am wanting a Magpul stock set. As for trigger components. Many of the 10/22 trigger group internal part are interchangeable. The factory trigger feels really, really close to the BX-Trigger right out of the box, I don't see upgrading to BX trigger components being worth the money or time.
  16. Water Monkey

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    Nice. I made big moves today. And some more tomorrow on a 9mm and 5.56 build.

    With kits drying up I guess I'm paying retail on these builds.
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  17. cmcdonald

    cmcdonald Forum Moderator Staff Member Moderator Supporter "Philanthropist"

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    Well you can feel ok about it Monkey Man...cuz I paid retail...like so much retail it hurts...lol
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  18. John A.

    John A. Unconstitutional laws are not laws. Staff Member Administrator Global Moderator

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    I like it.
  19. Water Monkey

    Water Monkey The man, the myth, the monkey Moderator Supporter

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    Range report!
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  20. John A.

    John A. Unconstitutional laws are not laws. Staff Member Administrator Global Moderator

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    One thing I have learned about the Beretta's.

    You don't have to question if they will work or not.

    Still, I want to know how it works and what you think of it ;)

    I typically zero my carbines at 25 yards. This takes care of most any distance that you'll be using the 9mm, out to 100 yards or more easily.

    Once you really get out there (almost 100 yards) you can aim at the head and hit in the torso all day long. But I suspect you'll get the hang of it pretty quickly.
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