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  1. Rodburner

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    I don’t know any of you guys, will never meet any of you guys, but when I say I’ve enjoyed my time on this forum, I mean it. I’ve read countless posts, viewed lots of pictures, memes, cartoons and jokes about the demoncrats and all the groups that are lumped in with them. No problem. I’m not gonna bitch anybody out for a pro Trump opinion, because why? Nothing that any of my ilk say is going to change your mind, make you see the light, believe your own eyes and ears or whatever old witticisms might pop out of my old mind. I just can’t reason out to myself why you guys, some long time friends, some of my close relatives and 74 million others just can’t believe that your guy lost. I understand that Trump believes it, because the people that have surrounded him have recognized his personality disorder and used it to their personal advantage. They have lied to him, pumped him up, told him what they wanted him to hear, mostly to promote themselves. He is a rich, successful businessman. He didn’t need their input to run this country. But it seems that those others have worked to weaken the office. Trump got 10 million more votes than last time, so his good message was getting through for sure. But this is 4 years later. Biden got all the same voters that Hillary got. Plus the hundreds of thousands or million kids who came of voting age and got fuked by DeVos. Plus millions of minority voters who work and pay taxes and don’t have anything to show for it. It can’t come as a surprise to you that the rise of “ the squad”, which represents them, will only get bigger and stronger. Add in a few million more old people with their $22/mo SS increase while billionaires don’t pay taxes, and you can’t help but see a trend here...Trump gets crazy Rudy telling him he was robbed, he’s got proof. Rudy should be the new CIA director because for two months, no proof was submitted to the courts, despite many promises to do so. No leaked tallies or altered machines have shown up. Don’t believe the “lame stream” media, fine leak it to Fox or newsmax or OAN. But nope,nothing. Lawsuits are filed in the wrong state, the wording doesn’t allege a crime, only an irregularity of this or that. When the persons or companies that are mentioned in the lawsuits threaten to sue for slander or defamation, the Trump lawyers and the “ right wing media” issue their retractions that they can’t prove any of the misinformation they broadcast and call it good. They just make up something else to give you. I wish all this wasn’t so, at least in my mind. I have most of the same issues, fears, concerns and outlook that you do. But that by and large, that Trump simply got out voted, is not one of those things. Sorry I’ll understand if this post gets the middle finger “like”..
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  2. John A.

    John A. Unconstitutional laws are not laws. Staff Member Administrator Global Moderator

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    I do believe that they took advantage of the mail in ballots and fraudently cast a lot of illigitimate votes.

    I know for 100% fact from my neice this occurred. She doesn't even live in North Carolina and was sent a thank you card from a democrat funded pac thanking her for registering and making her first vote.

    The postcard is addressed to her physical address in Kentucky.

    Where she lives.

    And who didn't vote, even in KY. And certainly didn't travel or do it in absentee in another state where she wasn't even eligible to vote.

    FWIW, I don't like any mainstream news. This includes fox, newsmax and oan, cnn, msnbc, abc, cbs, et. al.
  3. Rodburner

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    I don’t doubt that weird things happened. I got emails from the RNC too. But millions of votes? Every Trump contested state had investigations, recounts by hand, electronic recounts, observers from both parties, etc. Barr didn’t find any glaring irregularities that would make up for the 100s of thousands of votes that were in question. Neither did the predominantly republicans in charge of the votes in those states. Just because a historically red state turned blue doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. It just means,at least to me, that those states were red because of some favorable taxes, or jobs or some other things, that made people move there, that weren’t that hep to the Trump train. Washington is a blue state, but more republicans were elected here this time than in years before. No income tax and big wages are an attractive draw, but the disdain for the other high taxes brought republicans out in droves. I just can’t bring myself to believe that the people who live in those states elected people who would turn their backs on the people who elected them and fake a blue outcome. What would they hope to gain?
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  4. Ernst

    Ernst .30-06 "Philanthropist"

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    Certainly believe there are enough questions concerning the both the numbers of votes cast and legality of voters across the country. Needs to be a national level review and standardization of voter eligibility and the voting process. Prime example is motor voter in several states whereas anyone, legal or illegal, who obtains a driver's license is also registered to vote and is mailed a ballot.

    We need to return to the old way of voting where you present yourself and your identification on the designated day of voting. And if you're unable then there are provisions to request a ballot ahead of time. No more mass mailing of absentee ballots to people who moved or died. Some neighbors got multiple ballots in the mail, some from other states.

    Would hope the Biden administration is subjected to the same scrutiny of policies and appointments that the Trump administration has dealt with for the last four years.

    The first question the media should ask Biden is to which charity or national cause are you going to donate your presidential salary over the next four years? Many, I'm sure, don't even know the Trump never took a dime in salary over the last four years.

    Not sure that a majority of the younger folks receive any news other than what they are subject to on social media and history to many of them is what happened last week. Ever main stream media source, foreign and domestic, has it's basis. An informed citizen needs to read multiple sources and form their own opinion on issues. Shouldn't drink from a single trough.

    Respect everyone's right to voice their opinion.

    Regards
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  5. John A.

    John A. Unconstitutional laws are not laws. Staff Member Administrator Global Moderator

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    You're assuming again that everyone that voted for one candidate or another actually did.

    There are literally tens of thousands of provisional ballots and deceased voters and such all across the country.

    Provisional ballots were made when the person actually shows up to vote and was told they had already voted by mail even when they did not.

    Ballots being found in dumpsters. And there was even a woman in Texas who was charged with fraudulently getting hundreds of ballots from an old folks home.

    https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/11/06/texas-social-worker-charged-counts-election-fraud/
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  6. Rodburner

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    That all tells me that those systems were working. There must have been some investigation or nobody would know about those things. But me saying I saw my neighbors fill out 2 ballots just because he drives a Ford isn’t proof that he really did. If there were as much disparity as reported, then Trump disserviced himself by having a team of crackpot lawyers representing him. Those were Trump judges laughing his team out of the court room. We have all mail ballots here. They match your signature on your DL, which,lol comes in the mail. If the fix was in, Sleepy would have won every state, bigly..lol
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  7. John A.

    John A. Unconstitutional laws are not laws. Staff Member Administrator Global Moderator

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    I believe the "fix was in" in 2016 too. Hillary was supposed to have won by a landslide too. That's why they took so long to call the race.

    But they didn't have enough ballots to push her over the top if scrutinized.

    They didn't make the same mistake twice.

    Some people would've committed fraud just because every time they turned on the tv they only heard how bad the orange man was.

    I'm not saying everyone is that stupid and gullible. But there are many out there that really are. To some people, politics is damn near a religion. They'd do anything to see their "god" be in charge to further their ideologies if they think the other one is bad.

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  8. Scoop

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    My thought is that there was waywardness on both sides. Some slight of hand here and there.

    Election Rule 1: Whoever does it most wins.

    [​IMG]
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  9. Rodburner

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    Oh,for the good old days.. 3A3FFF27-F61F-4AB7-AD43-FF87C3D44C2F.png
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  10. Tom396

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    In spite of the deeply seeded hatred for POTUS Trump, I cannot believe for a single second that it was enough to generate enough support for Joe Biden to surpass POTUS Obama's numbers. The first black POTUS candidate in history?! Come on, man (no pun intended). Joe Biden couldn't draw a fly, let alone a crowd of supporters. Which is not too hard to understand, since he did a masterful job of being unavailable. Joe Biden supposedly got more votes than any POTUS candidate in history. Yeah, that's possible (not).

    Now that comes without any of the obvious election irregularities. For instance, several states changed the rules for their elections in direct violation of their own state constitutions! And we have seen other fraud examples on videotape. On top of that, there are thousands of sworn affidavits attesting to the witnessing of election fraud. Yes, people lie, but they do so under penalty of law on a sworn affidavit.

    Of course, I understand the view that all of this has been presented to many, many judges and always been dismissed. I don't think any court would touch this with a ten foot pole. They did not want to open that huge Pandora's Box of widespread national election fraud. And frankly, I don't think any court will ever touch national election fraud in the future either. The only way to win any further national election will simply be to be the "better" cheater. How actual citizens vote will be secondary.

    Thanks for giving me the opportunity to let me get that out. :thumbsup: Take care. Tom Worthington
  11. hombre243

    hombre243 .30-06

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    My sentiments exactly.
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  12. Rodburner

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    Tom, I can’t speak for the millions of people who came out to vote for Joe, but I can say that, I’m retired,65 years old and have NEVER voted before, registering this year for the first time, because the thought that I didn’t do even my small part to make my small part of the world safe from Trump, that I couldn’t face myself or my kids and grandkids. Joe wasn’t my first or even 3rd choice, but given the alternative, I made a choice.
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  13. JRExplorer3

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    I voted for Trump because he was the GOP nominee. I did it as a vote against Hillary and not for Trump.

    The DNC tried to cheat to get Hillary elected and they still lost. Bernie got screwed out of delegates and he smiled and accepted it.

    The DNC was involved with investigating Trump from the day he started running for POTUS.
    Russia, Russia, Russia. All found to be untrue. The democrat party still refused to accept anything that was found untrue and still pressed the issue.
    They hold things he's said and done in the past against him but Biden is given a pass on what he's said and done in the past.

    Harris was overwhelmingly dismissed by the American people when she tried running for president.
    She told Biden she believed the woman accuser that he assaulted her. This accusation disappeared. So much for the MeToo movement that was so virulent with Kavanaugh.
    Now we are led to believe the Biden/Harris ticket got more votes than Obama? I find this hard to swallow.

    With 2 weeks left, they are still trying to get rid of him.
    IMO, they just want to be able to say they got Trump removed from office.

    Now, for being a pro American, America first, conservative values, 1A & 2A republican we are called racists and domestic terrorists while BLM and ANTIFA were
    free to burn, loot, and attack people with no consequence.

    You voted against Trump. Your words, "my small part to make my small part of the world safe from Trump, that I could face myself or my kids and grandkids"
    You will also have to admit that if the country falls to socialism, Americans lose rights, is fundamentally changed from what is/was, it is partly your fault.
  14. Ernst

    Ernst .30-06 "Philanthropist"

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    Rodburner, I'm quite a bit older than you and I've voted since becoming eligible at 18. Only missed a couple of elections while serving our country in the military during the Vietnam era. As a retired military veteran, who has experienced the horrors of war, I'm grateful that President Trump is the exception to the rule and started no new wars over the last four years. Not many can equal his record. Plus he has made great strides in safely returning our military brothers and sisters to American soil. I hope President Elect Biden will follow in his footsteps and bring home those remaining overseas and seek diplomatic solutions to conflicts around the world.

    I'm also grateful for President Trump "not" being a politician, for keeping God in our country and for standing up for the unborn. And yes, there are things I disagree with but in all my years I've never agreeded with a single President 100%!

    Whether I agree with your reasoning matters not. However, I congratulate you on exercising your right as an American citizen to vote for the first time in 65 years.

    Regards
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  15. Rodburner

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    No problem. I’m not sure how socialism is supposed to sweep the nation under Biden, cuz I think they say that about every president, and yet, Americans just seem to prevail. Trump proved that the government is pretty squirrelly that’s for sure. But I also think that Trump only became a Republican ( which was not all that long ago, with him contributing to Bill Clinton’s campaign) because the demoncrats weren’t gonna tolerate his antics, while the GOP embraced it as the fresh change they were looking for. So I guess we are gonna just have to wait and see how much worse off we are right now.
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  16. Rodburner

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    Sorry Ernst, I can only type with one finger so my reply’s are usually out of order. I agree for the most part with everything you said and have never worried about any other presidents actions good, bad or indifferent until now. But that’s why I’ve not had concern before now. I always thought that these decisions were made by the whole of government, the house and senate and the DOJ AND White House. I’ve never heard “ only I can fix this” and then whip out a sharpie to sign something before. I know it’s always been done to some extent, some quite a bit in the last administration. But I don’t believe they were done without input from people with at least some knowledge about the subject. Not I know more than the generals, than the scientists, than the treasury, than the people representing more than half the nation’s population etc. but yeah, on most points I agree with your assessment.
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  17. Scoop

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    I think our biggest danger right now is two legislative house controlled by the same party.
    The country is in much better shape when it is difficult for lawmakers to do anything.

    I wish the Founders had stopped with the first 5 words of the Bill of Restrictions:
    Congress shall make no law
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  18. Rodburner

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    Good morning all. I would like to thank all of you that have offered up opinions, observations, reasoned arguments and personal experience. When I have asked my many republican friends why they voted this way or that, the conversation seemed to always devolve into angry silence or butt hurt nonsense. But they have always been using the same frame of reference as I have, ie, what is happening right here,on my street,in my back yard. Maybe because we are just anonymous words on a page, spread all over the country, has made it much easier to understand the why’s and what for’s. It has proven to me that,yeah, we aren’t all that dissimilar in our thoughts and needs. I guess I really needed to know that every anti demoncrat meme and such and the lumping of every group that people find distasteful into “my” group, was coming from a person genuinely at odds with an issue, not just straight up us against them..so thank you all for bearing with me. I hope that turning this page will benefit us all in some ways..
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  19. John A.

    John A. Unconstitutional laws are not laws. Staff Member Administrator Global Moderator

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    Are you in for a rude awakening about how government has been working for the better part of your adult life.

    Also, I understand if you're new to this, but when you say the DOJ, that is the department of justice.

    The Judicial branch is the other of the 3 branches.

    In no particular order:

    Legislative
    Judicial
    Executive

    As for defending my decision to vote for someone, I offer no apologies for such regardless of the outcome.

    I think that Biden is compromised and makes him an easy target for extortion and blackmail. Which I think is going to further weaken our country. And that has not even taken into consideration of many of his past acts to use the office of the VP of the US to pressure a foreign country to fire the people investigating his family and their interest and that's not even taking into consideration and completely ignoring the fact that his family has made a lot of money from his sons' death by creating a tax free fund for cancer research that never goes any further than paying for its' "operating costs" and doesn't actually pay anything but their 6 and 7 digit salaries. That is just disgusting to me.

    Their open discontent for our God given rights has not gone unnoticed either. That is a direct violation of the oath to protect and uphold the constitution. If they are willing to violate that, they are unfit and perjure themselves and as I have said, made a difficult decision to make rather simple and straighforward for me.
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  20. ripjack13

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    I like this. Both sides having a respectable conversation. Kudos to you all.
    :cheers:
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