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Oregon Republican: “Send Bachelors And Come Heavily Armed”

Discussion in 'Gun Rights, Fights and Rallies' started by carbinemike, Jun 22, 2019.

  1. carbinemike

    carbinemike Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator "Philanthropist"

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    Oregon Senate Republicans walked out this week in protest to deny the democrats the chance to vote on a global warming bill. They need 20 people to be present and vote but they only have 18 democrats. The socialist leaning governor called on the state police to round up the republicans and bring them back in. Sen. Brian Boquist issued the threat in the thread title adding that he would not be a political prisoner in the state of Oregon. Militia groups, including the 3%ers, jumped in and have promised to protect the republicans. Threats from militia groups and a protest have shut down the Oregon Senate. Many Senators are in Idaho where 3%ers are coordinating with their Oregon counterparts.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/or...sible-militia-threat-after-republican-walkout
  2. Water Monkey

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    Playing the I'm your huckleberry card. Good.
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    carbinemike Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator "Philanthropist"

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    nitesite Sheepdog Moderator "Philanthropist"

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    I bet that @oli700 is right in the thick of things.....
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    meanstreak .30-06 Supporter

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    Oh the irony. All the liberals calling Trump a nazi and or a fascist, yet they are the ones that use law enforcement against political opponents. If the actions of the past three years by the Democrats has not raised awareness the actions of the Democrats in Oregon should. Not sure it is getting much time in the main stream media though.
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  6. dieselmudder

    dieselmudder .30-06 Elite Member "Philanthropist"

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    I was thinking the same thing. I was hoping he would pop in and give some details.

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    carbinemike Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator "Philanthropist"

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    I was wondering about that when I posted this.

    I also hoped Oli would pop in. I don't trust the media, sadly now, Fox included.

    This hasn't really been mainstream yet. Most major news outlets have it but you need to Google it to find it. They sure aren't pushing the story at this point.
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  8. oli700

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    not so much . I haven't been to a 3% meeting in about a year. Its ok but I thought it was something else. Good intentions , no real leadership, no chain of command,, let anyone in . So you get some people that are just looking for something to be apart of, somewhere to land, some real.......unfocused people who do not know what it means to be selfless .

    I told you boys a long time ago the next shot heard around the world might come from Oregon .......I still believe that. Its out of hand , if it starts .......it will be bad. They will need the military, the police wont stand a chance ......a lot would train their irons at the capitol building anyway .

    One of those senators , Baertschiger , taught me how to fall trees and certified me to fall unlimited size trees in Oregon. A good dude born in the heart of the State of Jefferson.......he wont go down without a fight .

    A lot are hoping for the fight ......it would be horrible but necessary .
  9. carbinemike

    carbinemike Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator "Philanthropist"

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    More recently, the message has appeared more muddled to outsiders.

    In their insistence on having their voice heard by Democratic supermajorities, Republicans have brought a wide array of policy proposals into the standoff.

    A list Republicans submitted to Democrats early in the week called on them to kill a bill tightening the state’s gun laws and send the school funding bill back to committee for technical fixes. Republicans have raised the idea of adding a constitutional amendment to the tax bill requiring the revenue be spent on K-12 schools. Bills dealing with vaccines and a proposed cap-and-trade system aimed at fighting climate change were also in Republican sights.

    Sen. Cliff Bentz, R-Ontario, said Friday that list was hammered out prior to the boycott.

    “We had it firmly in mind before we left,” he said. “We were being ignored. You don’t do that as a majority when tools of this nature are available to the minority.”

    Behind closed doors, Atkinson said, Republicans need to clarify their message.

    “In this case, the Republicans are moving around, and they want a little bit of this and a little bit of that,” he said.

    With that strategy, Atkinson added, “they won’t win.”

    In a meeting with reporters this week, Courtney drew few bright lines in how he viewed those demands. One certainty he offered: The school funding bill is not up for negotiation, and they will not send it back to committee.

    “I know that’s one of the requests, but I’m saying, ‘Come on,’” Courtney said. “That is a major, monumental way to fund, finally, early childhood programs … as well as K-12. A bill its size has never had such a full and complete airing.”

    Less clear were the lengths Courtney would go to to placate Republicans — and how that might sit with Democrats who insist the GOP should not be rewarded for what they believe is bad behavior. The Senate president would not discuss what policy proposals were on the table, and both he and Baertschiger have described negotiations as fluid.

    But Republicans will likely need something tangible in exchange for returning to the Capitol, and agreeing not to stage further walkouts.

    Baertschiger on Friday dismissed any suggestion that Republicans walked out without a clear exit strategy .

    “They’re just pulling things out of the air,” he said. “The caucus was in full agreement when we did this. The strategy and everything — it was all agreed on.”

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    State Sen. Herman E. Baertschiger Jr., R-Grants Pass, in the Oregon Senate on Monday, Jan. 14, 2019, in Salem, Ore.

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    A day earlier, Baertschiger didn’t offer many specifics when asked for the outcome he is holding out for.

    “I don’t know. I’d have to think,” he said.

    He then offered a list: “That there are some technical fixes in [the school funding] bill and that we have some sort of real PERS fix, and hopefully there’s some legislation that needs to go bye bye.”

    Walkouts Increasingly Common
    A boycott by lawmakers in the minority party is no longer the rarity it once was. The tactic has now been used at least four times since 2001.

    Senate President Courtney recently described the strategy as “government shutdown lite,” lumping it in with other delay tactics such as forcing Democrats to read bills in full before a vote. (That’s how House Republicans responded to the $2 billion business tax package just a week earlier, requiring the House clerk to spend two and a half hours reading the text out loud before it was approved.)

    “This has become the new norm,” Courtney said. “It’s just a way to slow things down or stop things, et cetera.”

    But in 2001, when then-House Minority Leader Dan Gardner led his Democratic caucus on a five-day boycott, the strategy hadn’t been used in decades. So when Democrats revealed they wouldn’t be showing up to work, pressure mounted quickly.

    “It was crazy,” Gardner told OPB. “It was unbelievable. I remember [then-Gov. John] Kitzhaber and I talking about it. He said, ‘Lot of pressure on you?’ I said, ‘Oh my god.’”

    That year, the timetable Gardner and his members faced was straightforward. The Republican majority was hoping to pass a plan for redrawing House districts in such a way that Kitzhaber, a Democrat, wouldn’t need to sign off. But by denying Republicans a quorum for five days, Democrats were able to wait out a legislative deadline that would have allowed that maneuver. They returned to work once the idea was dead.

    “A walkout is a very drastic measure,” Atkinson said. “In the case of the Democrats, their ability to stay united on redistricting was very focused. They were willing to suffer the short-term PR consequences for the longer-term ability to redraw districts.”

    This year, Senate Republicans don’t have a clear deadline they need to meet, and their timetable appears to be less regimented. Asked Thursday if he was optimistic his members would be back in the building on Monday, Baertschiger replied: “I was optimistic we’d have been back Wednesday.”

    Gardner said walkouts grow more difficult to control with each passing day. He described remaining at the Capitol to try to negotiate a deal while the rest of his caucus stayed away in 2001.

    “It’s harder after a while to hold all your members who are staying out together,” he said. “I had 24 members we’d sent to the hinterlands. I had to talk to them twice a day on conference calls to make sure they knew what was going on and so they didn’t feel left out of things.”

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    An Oregon State Police trooper views state Senate proceedings in the Capitol, Monday, Jan. 14, 2019, in Salem, Ore.

    Bradley W. Parks/OPB

    One thing Democrats knew they weren’t facing in 2001? Being rounded up by Oregon State Police on the orders of the governor, a fellow Democrat.

    “We never considered going across state lines because we knew the governor would not send the state police after people,” Gardner said. “When we had John’s word on that? No.”

    Republican senators had no such assurances in 2007, when they denied a quorum to majority Democrats to block a bill. According to news reports from the time, Courtney asked then-Gov. Ted Kulongoski to send state police to round up Republicans. Troopers found two of them at an Oregon State University baseball game, but the stalemate ended before they were pulled back to the Capitol.

    Courtney has said he dislikes using police in such matters, but he notably didn’t rule out asking Gov. Kate Brown to do so when asked by reporters Wednesday.

    “That’s easy to talk about. It is very sad if that ever has to happen,” Courtney said. “State troopers are our ultimate police force and we need them in areas that are much more important than that to go running around looking for state senators.”

    In the end, the most important question about the current standoff may not be how it concludes, but what impression it leaves on a legislative session that will still hold plenty of opportunities for conflict. The Legislature must adjourn by the end of June, with plenty of contentious bills still left to debate.

    Though he didn’t say much about it this week, that consideration is undoubtedly on Courtney’s mind.

    “Human beings don’t just come back like nothing happened,” he said. “I am worried about, when we return to the floor, how much this is going to impact our relationships. You’ve still got to work together.”

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    In my mind, this whole notion of sending state troopers after lawmakers is very simple. The governor did not hire them. She is not their boss nor is she the queen of Oregon. The senators are not her employees. They are elected officials that answer to their constituents. The people have recall power if they so choose.

    As I said before, Democrats will use any means necessary get their way. They have no shame.
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    Here they'd still have a quorom. ;(
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    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...o-portland-proud-boys-alt-right-a8981331.html

    People in Portland go to war.

    “There were multiple assaults reported, as well as projectiles thrown at demonstrators and officers,” a statement added. “There were also reports of pepper spray and bear spray being used by people in the crowd. Officers deployed pepper spray during the incident.”


    Two officers were pepper sprayed, another was punched and a colleague was hit in the head with a projectile during what police labelled a “civil disturbance”.
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