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Question Of The Month. (April 2018)

Discussion in 'Question of the Month' started by carbinemike, Apr 1, 2018.

  1. carbinemike

    carbinemike Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator "Philanthropist"

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    Howdy,
    This is a monthly series of questions topic for everyone to join in on the discussion. Some questions may have a poll, and some will not. Don't be shy now, go ahead and post an answer and vote in the polls.

    It's April of 2021. Division in the U.S. has been worsening by the year. The republicans and democrats declare war on each other. How would such a civil way play out? How long would it last? Who would win? What would become of you?
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  2. John A.

    John A. I'm "THAT" guy Staff Member Global Moderator Forum Moderator

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    Whoever had the biggest desire to win, would win. It all boils down to who wants it the most. Every war in history was decided by the person who gave up first.
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  3. ripjack13

    ripjack13 Resident Sawdust Maker Staff Member Administrator Supporter "Philanthropist"

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    I would say the repubs would win. At least they still have guns. I'd be fine. Lots of gun folks in my neighborhood. Im friends with em all....
    I ain't askeerd...
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  4. meanstreak

    meanstreak .30-06 Supporter

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    I would be fine. I have a place to go that has food and water. Folks need to understand that all of these electronic gadgets they depend on can and would be controlled by the government. NO cell phones, no GPS navigation, it would all be back to old school.

    I would be almost 74 by then. I am probably not going to be out patrolling.
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  5. ripjack13

    ripjack13 Resident Sawdust Maker Staff Member Administrator Supporter "Philanthropist"

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    Sammy Hagar is still rocking out on stage....hes 72!!
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  6. John A.

    John A. I'm "THAT" guy Staff Member Global Moderator Forum Moderator

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    And if you're unable to patrol, there are other tasks that are just as important from a teams success that goes on behind the scenes.
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  7. CaddmannQ

    CaddmannQ 12g Supporter

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    Well some of you guys must remember how to build simple things like spark gap radios, and if all you need to send is morse code it's pretty easy to set up a transmitter and receiver.

    I did this when I was a teenager just for fun. I was probably 9 when I first learned you could do this and how simple it is.
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  8. John A.

    John A. I'm "THAT" guy Staff Member Global Moderator Forum Moderator

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    I don't.

    But I do remember being able to order a solid state radio kit from the back of comic books for about $2.95 each. They were usually right beside the xray glasses.
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  9. cmcdonald

    cmcdonald Forum Moderator Staff Member Forum Moderator Supporter "Philanthropist"

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    LOL...me too John!! I really wanted the X-ray glasses man!

    I agree, whomever is most determined will win. I would tend to believe the bulk of the warfare expertise and experience would likely fall in line with the Republicans. It really depends on how it plays out.

    If it’s characterized (and likely would be) as an insurgency there is a possibility those who haven’t paid attention could be duped into complicity. And, an insurgency type conflict could last a long time.

    All out civil war would be a MASSIVE economic disrupter in the world. Canada would suffer no doubt. It could preclude western economic collapse.

    It could also spark similar conflict here as well. If Canada’s gov’t supported one side over another in a US conflict...that could get complicated. My guess is whatever party is the sitting gov’t at the time would get official support. That in itself presents innumerable possibilities and complications.

    It would likely mean extremely tough times continent wide. How one would fare I think, would depend on the length and ferocity of the conflict.
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  10. Bobster

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    I'll answer this one first as well as address Streak's note that electronics will be defunct, especially without power. Since we have 3 years to "prepare", I would like to acquire a ham radio which, although "archaic", SHOULD still work if electronic communications are cut. Solar panels/wind power and a generator/battery bank will be necessary. The Morse code generator MIGHT work for shorter term communications IF you know Morse code... :rolleyes: We have a "1000-in-1" project kit from Radio Shack that should work. :D This would be worst case scenario--existing communication networks will be a valuable asset and will either have to be controlled or destroyed depending on which side has them. (ie: cell towers, radio communications, OTA television networks, etc.) As they are propagandists, without communications the other side will be at a severe disadvantage... :cool: Our actions should speak louder than their words, both then and NOW! PS: I wouldn't discount the value of CB radios, either but would be concerned with jamming or eavesdropping by the other side.

    Any war will likely play along party lines sorry to say. I'm a Libertarian but would probably side with Republicans. So that puts most of us OUTSIDE large cities. It would be essential to keep the enemy INSIDE the cities where most of the major carnage will ensue. I'm talking piles of dead bodies because of rioting and food shortages. And no where to bury them so disease will be a killer also. They will inflict the heaviest casualties among themselves. ;) Once the "government to hand, then hand to mouth/pocket" stops, the SWHTF! :D

    Preparation for an "emergency" should be high on everyone's list RIGHT NOW! Once supplies start running low, there should be an organized band of brothers that will pick targets of opportunity particularly those of whom may have had a large hand in creating the mess we would be in. I think a valuable target will be the slip-n-fall and trial lawyers you see on TV and hear on the radio. Liberal/progressive politicians will also be high on the list. Their may be necessary culling of useless people with no skills other than whining, complaining and protesting and sucking off Uncle Sam's teet. This will be the harsh reality of war and prisoners will only be kept alive if they can perform a useful service--there will be no time to teach skills or common sense...

    Regarding our neighbors to the north and south, I think Canada will stay out of it for the most part but there will be volunteers that will cross the border on either side. There may be a swarm of Mexicans in either direction--I'd have to research to give a more enlightened answer. Not mentioned is that there may be other countries that will invade the US in our moment of weakness. :eek:

    Before the FBI comes knocking on my door I need you to know that this is just a fantastical representative scenario we have concocted and I hope for my kids' sake it never comes to pass. But my kids have heard my anti-indoctrination and know many valuable hands-on skills, so I hope they will be survivors in the event of an apocalypse. More likely IMO, is a natural disaster of a scale never seen before or maybe even a HEMP over the western coast courtesy of NK. :eek:
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  11. carbinemike

    carbinemike Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator "Philanthropist"

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    Are you sure you will be ok? I would see the democrats biggest eastern stronghold as the northeast corridor between Richmond and Boston. Basically the coastline to the east and 50-150 miles deep to the west. It has over 50 million people. I would likely be behind enemy lines or at best near the front lines.

    Good points Bobster. I think most Libertarians and Independents would join the Republicans as would the majority of the military.
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  12. CaddmannQ

    CaddmannQ 12g Supporter

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    The key to easy radio Transmissions is lack of tuner/discrimination circuits. The spark gap radio transmission does not hold to any particular recognized frequency.

    You simply blanket the AM band with a big noise. Make it short or long, to transmit the code. It's an easy code to keep a copy in your wallet.

    Everyone with an a.m. radio will hear you, no matter what band they are tuned to, but unless they know your jargon they won't be able to tell what you're talking about.
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  13. meanstreak

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    My very first priority is making sure I have everything I need before I head to my safe place. I don't want to get there and realize I left things in haste. I have several routes planned out just in case. I like the idea of a cb radio, especially when trying to get out of the city.

    I live in a metro area of almost a million folks. My belief is that is the last place I want to be if the shtf. The sooner out the better before complete chaos were to set in.
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  14. Water Monkey

    Water Monkey The man, the myth, the monkey Forum Moderator Supporter

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    How would a civil war play out?

    Right now we are actually in a cold war.

    There are no lines this time. It's ideological means it will be guerrilla warfare. More so on the conservative side since the liberal new world order globalists control the air waves and media message and have now begun a purge of the opposing viewpoints of true conservatives.

    All out warfare will include a high body count in cities and highly populated suburban areas. If the rural residents band and militia up.... and choke the cities from resources through truck hijacks and road blocks... you'll see the city residents tear themselves apart rather quickly. Shit, 3 days without gas here after Super Storm Sandy had every cop available patrolling gas stations which left huge thefts of stores and residential theft of generators.

    But before the SHTF.... you'll see a lot of raids based on neighbor turning in neighbor. And family turning in family. If you've paid attention the left socialists/communists have taken a firm stance against all opposing views including those of family members. And not just raids on homes when YOUR home. But raiding while you're at work and picking you up at work and bringing you to the raid site.

    Who Would Win?

    It would be a populist view that would win. Winning over the hearts and minds of your countrymen is the key to winning any civil war. You get countrymen sympathetic you get intel, resources from behind enemy lines, more places to hide and take positions from in an urban environment. Look how ISIS, IRA, Taliban, Syria Rebels get close to targets and attack.

    The Local Police and US military, for the most part, will follow orders of who's in command. We've seen this in various instances from Kent State to Katrina to Baltimore and Ferguson. They will engage or not engage based on the political will of who's in charge. Not particularly in relation to their overall fiduciary responsibility to the Constitution or their duty and oath they took for their position.

    No way to declare a victor at this point. Other than when blood is spilled.... it will be the genie that you won't be able to get back into the bottle. And, IMHO, individual freedom will fall quite a bit regardless of which side wins. Just depends how much will be given in the name of security.

    Could also lead to a fracture of the USA particularly when... no if... but WHEN foreign nations start getting involved with a fractured and warring USA within itself. Russia & China particularly will have a big seat at the table considering the debt it holds of ours.

    What will become of me and my family?

    At this point in time... dead or in camps or both. While I live in a predominantly conservative county, I live on an island that requires a constant rate of replenishment of resources. Cut those resources off and the island turns into lord of the flies. Not to mention the registration of firearms will lend itself quite handy on confiscation efforts. High crime rate to begin with will overwhelm the citizenry.

    I'm handicapped with a wife who isn't a fighter, a son who isn't a fighter, and a 3yr old that I'm sworn to protect with my life. Do the math... I'm effing dead.

    If I get a chance to move country side before shit pops off... I'd have a better chance at survival. Mobility would be easier for the family and self sufficiency would be an easier goal.
  15. MikeD

    MikeD I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator "Philanthropist"

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    None of the anti-gun snowflakes would last 1 day without their social media battering rams. Their power is in their ability to mobilize and bully via the internet.

    Civil wars usually have a specific cause. How bad and to what extend either side will fight will come down to what that cause is.
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  16. TJ Johnson

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    Water Monkey hit the nail with OUTSIDE influences
  17. carbinemike

    carbinemike Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator "Philanthropist"

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    I really thought your whole post was spot on WM. I copied this quote from you because it has been on my mind at various levels for awhile now. The two parties often seem to be more alike than different at times. Their deficit spending and lack of fixing medical cost issues are two of the bigger ones. Ultimately I think the republicans would win such a war their better resources and land mass. But, as Patton wanted to attack the Russians after WWII I think the trench fighters need to watch they don't get a knife in the back.
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  18. jdcaples

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    I'd side with whomever controls pharmaceutical manufacture and distribution.

    Three or four miserable, anguishing days after my supply of medication is exhausted, I'm dead.

    So I'd take up a gun and defend pharmaceutical concerns.

    I'd expect to be guarding sites, shoulder to shoulder with parents of kids that will die without an organ transplant or medication to compensate for diseased or otherwise damaged vital organs. I'd do everything I could to assure the flow of life-preserving insulin, dialysis fluid, supplemental oxygen, HIV medicines etc gets to the people who need it.

    I'd hope my fellow Americans would understand why I joined the "wrong" side and not shoot at me.... but I suspect a lot of people - maybe even some of you - would try to take the facility and kill those defending it, just on principle.

    Civil war is basically a nightmare scenario for me, people like me and people with loved ones like me. I don't see how we survive it.

    -Jon
  19. Water Monkey

    Water Monkey The man, the myth, the monkey Forum Moderator Supporter

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    Yeah that's exactly what I'm going to do. I'm going to take up a firing position on a children's hospital.

    *shakes my MF head*
  20. jdcaples

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    So you're a good guy and wouldn't do that. I didn't mean to offend you.

    There are people that will want to win at any cost and I do believe that in a civil war, the people that need medication to live will be non-combative casualties. That's just how I think it'll play out.

    -Jon

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