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New gun restrictions are coming to California in 2018. Here’s what they mean to you
By Ryan Sabalow

rsabalow@sacbee.com



UPDATED December 11, 2017 02:54 PM

California’s more than 6 million gun owners are going to see new restrictions in 2018 stemming from sweeping regulations lawmakers and voters have approved over the past two years.

But due to pending court challenges, shifting deadlines and contradictions in the laws, many gun owners say they’re unsure about new rules regulating where they can buy ammunition, what classifies as an assault rifle and whether it’s still legal to own high-capacity ammunition magazines.

“I still get questions every single day,” said Nathan Woodard, manager of Sacramento Black Rifle, a Citrus Heights gun store. “People are still confused.”

With that in mind, The Sacramento Bee addresses some of the most pressing questions facing California gun owners.

Can I still own an assault rifle?

Yes, but you can’t buy them any more. And you have to register the ones you have.

In 2016, California’s already-tough gun laws got tougher when lawmakers passed a bill that sought to ban the sale of guns with so-called “bullet buttons” that gun-control activists said circumvented a law banning assault weapons. California now defines an “assault weapon” as any semi-automatic, centerfire rifle or semi-automatic pistol that lacks a fixed magazine and has one of a number of features that include a protruding pistol grip or a folding or telescoping stock.

If you already owned such a gun before the new law, you can keep it, but you were supposed to register it with the California Department of Justice by the end of this year. However, the registration deadline has been extended to June 30, 2018.

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Can I own a detachable magazine holding more than 10 rounds?

Yes. For now.

Californians who owned detachable magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition were supposed to get rid of them by this past July or face criminal penalties. But gun rights groups challenged the ban. A judge issued an injunction this summer preventing the ban from taking effect while the legal challenges play out.

Two pending cases are likely to have hearings early next year, one of them before the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, said Brandon Combs, president of the Firearms Policy Coalition, a gun-rights group.

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Can I buy ammunition online or from a catalog?

Yes, but you can’t ship it to your home any more starting Jan. 1. You can still buy online or from a catalog, but you now have to ship ammunition first to a licensed vendor who can charge you a processing fee.

This isn’t a big change for Sacramentans. Their city, along with a few others around California, already had ordinances prohibiting direct mail of ammunition.

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Does that direct-mail ban apply to “reloading” supplies such as bare bullets and empty cartridges?

No. The regulations on mail order sales don’t address unassembled ammunition parts bought by those who make their own.

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Will I have to undergo a background check to buy ammunition?

Not in 2018. While you will have to go through a licensed dealer to transfer or buy ammo in California starting Jan. 1, background checks won’t start until July 2019.

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Will I have to buy a special ammunition permit under the new background check rules?

Probably not. Proposition 63, approved by voters in 2016, included a provision that would have required ammunition buyers to pay the state up to $50 for a four-year permit to buy ammunition. But legislation signed the same year by Gov. Jerry Brown appears to have overridden that provision – at least for the time being. Rather than requiring a permit, the legislation Brown signed says ammunition buyers will instead pay a $1 state fee for a background check at the point of sale.

Legal experts say it’s not a sure bet that the law Brown signed would survive a court challenge, since voter-approved initiatives usually supersede legislation.

But so far, no one is pressing that issue. The backers of Prop. 63, championed by Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom, haven’t challenged the legislation pushed by State Sen. President Kevin de León and signed by Brown. (Newsom and de León had a spat in 2016 over whose plan for regulating ammunition should prevail.)

Combs, the president of the gun rights group, said he doesn’t expect 2nd Amendment activists to push for Prop. 63’s background check rule either, because the legislation Brown signed is less of a hassle for consumers than what voters approved.

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Can I drive in ammunition I bought out of state?

No. On Jan. 1, it will be illegal to import into California ammunition purchased in another state. The legislature passed a bill in 2016 that would have allowed hunters to bring in up to 50 rounds from out of state without taking it to a dealer, but Proposition 63 overrode that, according to the Department of Justice.

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Will there be a limit on how much ammo I can buy?

No. The new rules impose no limits on ammo quantity.

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Didn’t California ban open-carry of long guns?

Sort of. This fall, Brown signed a bill that makes it a misdemeanor starting Jan. 1 to openly carry an unloaded long gun in an unincorporated area of a county, but the law only applies in areas where county supervisors have prohibited shooting firearms. Most counties don’t have such shooting bans, and national forest lands, wildlife refuges, gun ranges and other areas where shooting is currently allowed wouldn’t fall under the ban.

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Are there exceptions to these rules?

Yes, there are, but in very limited cases. For instance, law enforcement officials are exempt from some of the rules pertaining to ammunition, assault weapons and magazines; so are federal firearms license holders. Chances are the folks exempt from the rules already know they’re exempt, but further information can be found at the Department of Justice firearms website.

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Not much discussion here. I can't be the only one in California that belongs to this club!

Ammunition prices will certainly be going up in January here, because mail order will not be allowed to your home anymore.

This sucks for people who live in rural areas, and get their goods by mail because the nearest store is far away.

Any ammo we order by mail will have to ship to a licensed dealer first.

There will be an extra $1 tax, but later they will surely laugh at that low figure as no impediment to mass shootings. At that point they will raise it significantly.

It will be 100% illegal for you to bring ammunition across the border unless you are a licensed dealer. (Leo's are probably exempt. Don't know yet.)

To buy, you will need a hunting license or a firearm safety certificate, and the background check system is already in place.

In addition, there are many, many common firearms that you may no longer purchase here new, and many that you cannot sell used either.

Anyhow, everyone is stocking up on ammunition like crazy (just as last year.) This will drive up the end-of-year economic reports.

Also, manufacturing of unserialized AR lowers has become a major cottage industry here.

I have heard estimates that 500 unserialized AR lowers are being produced in California every day. The capacity for making them, however, is almost virtually untapped, and is really only limited by the number of willing buyers.

Since the state of California killed off most of the manufacturing jobs here, there is a lot of CNC milling equipment available cheap, and there are a lot of out of work machinists to run it.

When I said that Feinstein could never take away all the guns she doesn't like, it's because guys all over California are building them in their garage, as I estimated they would.

Most of them are probably being configured as full auto, because once you cross that bridge what the heck?

Anyhow my estimation is that the current ban on AR weapons here will cause the total AR population of California to increase by at least 10,000 per year, and these will be guns no one can confiscate, because no one at DOJ knows they exist.

The national perception is that Californians must hate guns and do not own them, while nothing could be further from the truth. There are 50 million people here and if only one out of ten has a legal gun, that means there are five million legal gun owners. That estimate could be very low, in the state which has over 5 million illegal aliens running around.

I can almost guarantee you, that because of these laws and the size of our shooting population, that the Underground AR Manufacturing in California next year will exceed the number of Legally purchased ARs in California last year.

We know what happens with laws of prohibition. They increase smuggling and foster illegal sales, manufacturing and distribution.

Our experience with alcohol proved this out. Our experience with marijuana has proved this out. Of course the pornography industry has gone through the roof. If you are not a knowledgeable fish keeper you will be amazed at the amount of illegal animal smuggling. When you can get $500 to $5,000 from rich hobbyists for a little fish just by bringing it across the border, it's just too tempting. And even drugs are harder to smuggle because there are no fish sniffing dogs. Legal fish and illegal fish smell exactly the same to them.

So in the end, Californians are going to do what Americans always do. When you tell the majority of Americans that they cannot do something, you can be certain that the majority of them will do it.

All you need is a chunk of aluminum, some used tooling, and a bit of computer code.
 
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I've read up on a lot of the new reg's, although I have known for more than a decade that they intended to outright ban by incremental steps. Years ago, we openly discussed that they wouldn't ban guns, but they'd go after ammunition.

Well, they proved us right and that's exactly what they did.

I feel sorry for kalifornia citizens. But I also think that kalifornia is a lost state.

I honestly do not know what it would take for kalifornians to take back their state. Simply electing new people won't do it. That is if you could get past all the illegal voting that goes on. And all the district rigging that they do.

Their entire gov't is rigged even including down to the judicial system. It is exactly what the founding fathers meant when they said tyrannical government.

And that is why I said that kalifornia is a lost state.
 
I expect a huge bust in the California economy, when all those pipe dreams the State Reps have been passing as laws come crashing back in their faces.

Right now they're counting on a huge income from marijuana sales to save their Collective asses in Sacramento.

Somehow they think that all the people who are currently buying marijuana illegally will be willing to buy it legally (and pay more for the privilege, because of the heavy state taxes.)

This of course is total nonsense, as anyone who studied the business of alcohol prohibition could explain.

People are not really getting arrested for this minor stuff much in California, because we don't even have enough room to incarcerate the dangerous and violent felons with criminal histories as long as your arm.

In addition many localities have put up local prohibitions on recreational sale and even medicinal sales. The people buying there are going to keep buying the same way they're buying now.

Some places will allow dispensaries, and you can bet they're going to get burglarized and ripped off costing us a lot for enforcement.

All those millions in taxes which seemed to justify the whole business are going to turn out to be millions in liabilities, because the state won't be taking in enough extra money to cover all the problems this business is going to create. They have not yet collected $0.02 in taxes but they've already spent Millions trying to set up a reliable system where they can tax this business and collect money, through banks which are not currently allowed to handle funds proceeding from this federal crime.

The state is trying to set up their own private system to bank, record and tax this income. In my mind it's going to wind up being a huge boondoggle with any profits being swindeled out from the inside.

Overseeing this whole business is going to end up being an expensive deal for the state, and if inflated prices keep sales going on the black market instead, none of the good that was supposed to come from this will ever materialize.

I think it's entirely likely that the Federal government will eventually end up taking action against the officials in California who allowed this business to proceed.
 
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