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Stamp collecting (NFA)

Re: Class 3 fun this weekend

sn3akyguy nailed it.

Though a lot of people misinterpret it as a license to own anything that is regulated by the NFA, although in reality, a license isn't required by Federal regulations.

But you do have to submit to a background check and pay a (one time) tax to own them.
 
Re: Class 3 fun this weekend

Bingo, just to transfer them do you need the FFL. Otherwise a few forums, 2x2 pictures and a couple fingerprint cards + $200 and you're good to go. That's per weapon, and you have to have an additional stamp for destructive devices such as flash bangs, grenades, rockets etc etc. Good luck with that one though.

BTW, was that a copy of the stamp hanging off the bottom of the MP5SD?
 
Re: Class 3 fun this weekend

full auto is better than Viagra , and to be clear I dont take Viagra hahahahahhaa!!!!!!!!
 
Re: Class 3 fun this weekend

Sn3aKyGuY said:
Bingo, just to transfer them do you need the FFL. Otherwise a few forums, 2x2 pictures and a couple fingerprint cards + $200 and you're good to go. That's per weapon, and you have to have an additional stamp for destructive devices such as flash bangs, grenades, rockets etc etc. Good luck with that one though.

BTW, was that a copy of the stamp hanging off the bottom of the MP5SD?

No you don't necessarily need an FFL to transfer them if it's in the same state you live in and can do a simple face to face transfer once the paperwork comes back approved, although I think one state requires at least a C&R license, but that's not a requirement on the Federal level.

But if you buy it online and have it shipped, you'll have to have it transfered through an FFL.

I think I know what you're asking about the tag hanging off the magazine in the first video I linked.

No, that was a tag with a number on it. See, the magazines were modified to work in that particular weapon and I numbered them in case I had any trouble with a particular one so I could troubleshoot it easier if I had to.

The 36 round magazines were originally for an old WWII Suomi M31 submachinegun, but I did all the work converting it over to the Lage upper.

They originally looked like
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But after some milling and welding on a new catch and stops so it is hand tuned to fit my gun, look like this

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As for the actual tax stamp, it is small enough to fit on the tag, but the rest of the document it's stuck to is the size of a regular sheet of paper and has all the owners identifying info and stuff. I keep all my original tax stamps in a safe place and keep copies with the guns in a BDS multifunction pouch that a buddy of mine gave me from shot show.
 
Awesome lookin' AR. How do you like the Ace socom stock?

I guess it's now time for an obligatory pic of my collection.

Form 1 Silencer on Form 1 SBR AR (left)
Form 1 SBR 9mm MP5K PDW (middle)
Form 1 silencer on Form 4 Submachinegun (right)
Misc. caliber conversion uppers in front

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A few assorted video's featuring some of my stuff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMQzRp6ZosM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzI3FwGVwWE
 
John A. said:
Awesome lookin' AR. How do you like the Ace socom stock?


It's a Great solid stock and supper Light, I'm looking to buy a CTR 0r another UBR to mount on and see if I like that better.
 
I am sure this question is outside the scope of this thread, but I am curious because I am by nature a tinkerer. I would love to be able to have the ability to mess with those types of items, but I think that requires me to first get a Class III license, am I correct?

I just wonder what it takes to get that (or if I am wrong, what do I need to get) before I start even thinking about it. I have heard it takes three or more months to get approval, which to me is fine, I have a lot more to learn during that time, but why not start the process before there is a need and get it out of the way. I haven't done much for research yet, but might as well ask you guys that have alread gone through the process.
 
Well there are a few ways to do it. depending on what you want to build(own).
The best way is to transfer everything in to a trust, that way you you won't need the sigutare of the "CLEO" Cheif Law enforcement officer. The trust came be expessive.

The way I did it is build a AR pistol then I went to the ATF website and printed up a FORM 1 and went to my local Police dept and had my prints done and had the police cheif sign my paper work and you do that so you have two copys you need to have the lower that your going to SBR or the CAN that you want to run because the serial number need to go on the paper work. Mail off the paper work and a Check for $200 and wait. It took my SBR right around 100 days on a From 1
 
Same process took me eight months for my suppressor.

Whatever you decide to do, don't submit your paperwork around the Feb. tax season. It ends up taking twice as long to get it back due to the influx of folks with a little extra cash all submitting their paperwork at the same time.
 
So there isn't an overall approval to allow you to purchase these items, but a form process for each individual item sounds like?
 
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Ripsnortr said:
I am sure this question is outside the scope of this thread, but I am curious because I am by nature a tinkerer. I would love to be able to have the ability to mess with those types of items, but I think that requires me to first get a Class III license, am I correct?

In NH, you can own all the NFA goodies. SBR, SBS, AOW, DD, MG, Silencer

And you don't have to have any type of license, but you do have to pay a $200 tax stamp for each item


I just wonder what it takes to get that (or if I am wrong, what do I need to get) before I start even thinking about it. I have heard it takes three or more months to get approval, which to me is fine, I have a lot more to learn during that time, but why not start the process before there is a need and get it out of the way. I haven't done much for research yet, but might as well ask you guys that have alread gone through the process.

If you're going to build an SBR, the first thing is fill out the paperwork (in duplicate) from the atf (found here:
form 1 5320
http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5320-1.pdf

Certificate of compliance form
http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5330-20.pdf

And you will have to order two FBI FD-258FA - FFL Application ORI WVATF1100
fingerprint cards (free)

http://www.atf.gov/forms/dcof/

At the link above that has the fingerprint cards, you can also order the form 1 and cert compliance forms at the same time if you don't want to go ahead and print it out.

You will need to take the filled out forms to your local Chief LEO, Sheriff, State Police or whomever to get them to sign the back of both form 1's t that affirms owning the gun isn't illegal (and I looked it up, an SBR is cool there) and go ahead and be fingerprinted with the FD258 cards I linked above while you're there because you have to enclose it with the paperwork for your background check

You will need to glue a 2x2 frontal photo of yourself in the correct spot on each form 1

and enclose a check/money order for $200

That is the extent of it. It sounds like a lot, but only takes maybe 30 minutes to fill out the paper and drive to your police station for their john hancock.

And you will need to have the lower engraved with your name and city and state since that technically makes you the manufacturer of the weapon.

You could also form a trust so that no LEO signature or fingerprint is required, but that may run into having to pay fee's to the state every year. If doing the individual route that I have, it's for life as long as you can own any other gun and will transfer tax free to an heir of your choice as long as they are allowed to own it in their location.

Wait times to get the approved forms back vary depending on their workload and the examiner. They used to be assigned in alpabetical order of your last name, but now they are assigned to an examiner by the state you live in. I do not know if it is faster or not. I've not done anything since it was changed.

My shortest wait was 34 days and my longest wait was almost a whole 6 months

I hope it answers your questions.
 
Changes to my Military Armament

After having the gun for a couple of years now, I can honestly say I have always liked it. I guess the first change I did was add an AR15 stock adapter so I could get a good (or at least familiar) cheekweld. Then the bug hit me again and I am fairly certain that I was the first person to add a magpul buttstock to a Mac10. It didn't take long, there were pictures popping up just like it all over the net.

I was always told that was a major form of flattery, but I like having something unlike everyone else, so I sat on it for a long time and got a lot more time behind the trigger, so now I made some rather big changes for not just looks, but function too.


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One of the first things I did was change over from a single feed to a doublefeed bolt so I didn't have to use the crappy old single stack zytel mags anymore and could use a magazine from an old WWII Finnish M31 Suomi that I converted and handfitted to the gun (trust me, a 36 round doublestack mag is a lot easier to load than a 32 round single stack mag).

The mags may be old, but they're probably the best magazines I have ever used. I call them my Cadillac mags.

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One of the big things that had always bugged me about the gun was the fixed iron sights would not cowitness with an optic. And no matter how hard you pressed down on the buttstock, could never get a comfortable enough cheekweld to use it with the aftermarket stock.

As you can see in the above picture of the gun, the sights just simply sit way too low.

So, it's time to do some changin' and take that bad boy to the next level.

The AR15 stock is off, and now has an HK licensed Choate MP5K PDW folding stock. And to keep with the subgun genre, has a short broomhandle grip on the front.

I added a siderail, an offset light mount, and surefire tac light for bumps in the night.

And for more grins and giggles, I used a reamed YHM Phantom flash hider, which works very well with the 9mm in full auto in low light conditions when the suppressor isn't in use.

And now for even more cream on the crop.

I milled the fixed iron sights off and machined a few new slots to accomodate the new CAA flip back up sights in conjunction with the old Eotech and refinished the upper in satin black KG Gunkote after the machinework was finished. And now I actually can use iron sights if I need to.

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Re: Changes to my Military Armament

That is frikkin' SICK, John. In the best possible way!

Great post! Annnnnnnd........ a +1
 
Re: Changes to my Military Armament

She's beautiful John!

Most impressive Sir, very nice work...
 
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