I've been reading about the 464 "problems" and I can't understand why Winchester could make a great lever action for almost 100 years, [and yeah, they pooped out a while ago,] but why on earth in this day and age of high tech, robots and the like, that gun makers just can't get it right. Ruger, Remlin, and others, all have issues that the customer then has to fix. Trigger kits, sears, springs, new barrels, just to get them to shoot well. Robot machines can produce parts to sub 1000ths inches, but it would appear that they don't go together well. My 1902 1886 and my 1936 32 spcl 1894 still function flawlessly. OK, just venting a bit, and it's raining....I was thinking about a 464, but I wish the reports were better.