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Justice Dept. targeting reporters

carbinemike

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First the IRS on conservatives and now the Justice Dept. is nailed with phone records of AP reporters. Isn't it about time most media stops giving this administration a free pass?

The Justice Department secretly obtained two months of telephone records of reporters and editors for The Associated Press in what the news cooperative's top executive called a "massive and unprecedented intrusion" into how news organizations gather the news.

The records obtained by the Justice Department listed incoming and outgoing calls, and the duration of each call, for the work and personal phone numbers of individual reporters, general AP office numbers in New York, Washington and Hartford, Conn., and the main number for AP reporters in the House of Representatives press gallery, according to attorneys for the AP.

In all, the government seized those records for more than 20 separate telephone lines assigned to AP and its journalists in April and May of 2012. The exact number of journalists who used the phone lines during that period is unknown but more than 100 journalists work in the offices whose phone records were targeted on a wide array of stories about government and other matters.

In a letter of protest sent to Attorney General Eric Holder on Monday, AP President and Chief Executive Officer Gary Pruitt said the government sought and obtained information far beyond anything that could be justified by any specific investigation. He demanded the return of the phone records and destruction of all copies.

"There can be no possible justification for such an overbroad collection of the telephone communications of The Associated Press and its reporters. These records potentially reveal communications with confidential sources across all of the newsgathering activities undertaken by the AP during a two-month period, provide a road map to AP's newsgathering operations, and disclose information about AP's activities and operations that the government has no conceivable right to know," Pruitt said.
 
Since this concerns the media, perhaps they will stop taking everything so lightly now ???

Maybe?
 
^ AP is not just any 'media'. It's the worlds oldest and largest news gathering organization. I sure wouldn't want to be on their shitlist! :shock:

From the AP website:

AP'S HISTORY
The Associated Press has been breaking news since it was created in 1846. That year, five New York City newspapers got together to fund a pony express route through Alabama in order to bring news of the Mexican War north more quickly than the U.S. Post Office could deliver it. In the decades since, AP has been first to tell the world of many of history’s most important moments, from the assassination of Abraham Lincoln and the bombing of Pearl Harbor to the fall of the shah of Iran and the death of Pope John Paul.

More than 30 AP journalists have given their lives in this pursuit of the news. “I go with Custer and will be at the death,” AP reporter Mark Kellogg wrote before Custer’s final stand against the Sioux. And so he was.

One reason for AP’s longevity has been its ability to adapt quickly to new technologies. When it was founded, words were the only medium of communication. The first private sector organization in the U.S. to operate on a national scale, AP delivered news by pigeon, pony express, railroad, steamship, telegraph and teletype in the early years. In 1935, AP began sending photographs by wire. A radio network was formed in 1973, and an international video division was added in 1994. In 2005, a digital database was created to hold all AP content, which has allowed the agency to deliver news instantly and in every format to the ever expanding online world. Today, AP news moves in digital bits that travel nearly as quickly as the news itself unfolds, to every platform available, from newspaper to tablets. AP’s video division is now the world’s leading video news agency.

Often called the “Marine Corps of journalism”—always first in and last out—AP reports history in urgent installments, always on deadline. AP staff in 300 locations in more than 100 countries deliver breaking news that is seen or read by half the world’s population on any given day. It remains a not-for-profit cooperative, owned by 1,500 U.S. newspapers, which are both its customers and its members. A Board of Directors comprised of publishers, editors, and broadcast and radio executives oversee the cooperative.
 
I would have to call that "biting the hand that feeds you".

I'm really not surprised this administration would continue it's pattern of tyranny in this fashion, but I am surprised they would attempt to completely control news outlets at this particular point. Too little potential gain for too much risk of showing their cards. On the other hand, it seems today's citizens really don't much care what is revealed about this administration. They'll back them up regardless. Take care. Tom Worthington.
 
Just question...was there any excuse or reason given for the collecting of the info?

Not that it really matters but it would give some indication that the administration recognizes the need to attempt to legitimize the intrusion. If not, then it would seem to be an extremely bold move to intrude on one of the largest and (CNN they are not) yet most respected news agencies in the world.

I would think that unless a clear and reasonable motive were made known, it would seem that the current government has absolutely no fear of reprisals, nor a conscience regarding privacy or rights. In other words, they don't even give a damn who knows what they are up to and how anti-freedom and anti-liberty their actions are.

I also have a hard time believing that all the average Joes' and Janes' employed by the government really have any idea the damage they are causing. Hopefully, there will be an awakening...soon.

Just another dot; one dot leads to another and soon you have a pretty clear picture of what is unfolding in front of you. The picture we're seeing these days is shaping up to be monstrous.

EDIT: Just saw Tom's post^^^seems we're on the same page my friend. Another thought, this could be taken as an assault or insult by other allied countries as well. AP is international after all and it could blow up in their (gov't) faces.
 
John A. said:
Since this concerns the media, perhaps they will stop taking everything so lightly now ???

Maybe?

Only when it comes to them.... :oops: :roll:
 
“We regard this action by the Department of Justice as a serious interference with AP’s constitutional rights to gather and report the news.”

Where is the AP when they are seriously interfering with the 2A Constitutional rights?...bunch of a-holes that don't realize the Constitution and their precious 1A are gone when the 2A falls. About time they realize that the socialist in charge will not only take the guns but he will also control the press...if he can.

AP, welcome to our world.
 
GunnyGene said:
^ No. Justice did not offer any explanation whatsoever, although it may have had something to do with a bomb threat in Yemen last year. The administration is claiming National Security for their actions.
That's an awfully broad and vague brush stroke to cover that kind of collection of private data. That kind of terminology scares the public into thinking it was for their own good, for their protection.

I know some have suggested the recent (last 5 years or more even) intrusions we're seeing and the attempts to push the envelope on eroding constitutional rights and liberties is really just testing to see what the public response will be. I am beginning to think that indeed may be the case.
 
carbinemike said:
“We regard this action by the Department of Justice as a serious interference with AP’s constitutional rights to gather and report the news.”

Where is the AP when they are seriously interfering with the 2A Constitutional rights?...bunch of a-holes that don't realize the Constitution and their precious 1A are gone when the 2A falls. About time they realize that the socialist in charge will not only take the guns but he will also control the press...if he can.

AP, welcome to our world.

That may be what it takes. Obama is seeing a lot of threats to his power lately. I'm sure that's not going down well. The question is what he will do about it. I would not be terribly surprised if some of those threats met with unfortunate accidents or died of sudden heart attacks before this is over. Powerful people become very unpredictable and dangerous when threatened or thwarted.
 
carbinemike said:
“We regard this action by the Department of Justice as a serious interference with AP’s constitutional rights to gather and report the news.”

Where is the AP when they are seriously interfering with the 2A Constitutional rights?...bunch of a-holes that don't realize the Constitution and their precious 1A are gone when the 2A falls. About time they realize that the socialist in charge will not only take the guns but he will also control the press...if he can.

AP, welcome to our world.
Well said Mike and we can only hope that the unfolding events around us will continue to wake up the population as well as the big players who can get the word out.

The trouble with the western world is we've sold everything for a profit. Including our integrity in news reporting. This has been well documented for many, many years. In the old days, the wealthy power brokers bought newspapers and launched domestic propaganda campaigns to sway or BS the public on elections, political and governmental policies and actions. This continues today, but is now largely the big networks and corporate news agencies, etc.

I am not an expert on the AP, but have always regarded their reporting as generally neutral. They simply utilize the freedoms afforded them. Being unbiased or neutral was always supposed to be the heart of true news journalism. Reporting the good, the bad and the ugly...unadulterated truth. This incident may mark a significant shift in their operations and focus...one could only hope they will pay special attention to the events we see happening today.
 
And the hits keep on coming...the IRS "investigations"...the AP "investigations"...the unexplained recording of all communication from cell phones, emails, texts and twitter...unmatched buying of ammo by the government (one of their rights? come on..)...continued attempts to destroy the 2nd Amendment...

At what point does everyone other than Washington stand up and say enough of this crap? You would think that we are now living in another country. Ol' bama's hair is turning greyer by the day...

On a different note, how come entertainers and other celebrities always seem to die in 3's but never politicians? Especially the Democrats? Feinstein, Pelosi and Schumer would be a good start...
 
Got this from a friend this morning...I'll call him "John"...since that is his name:

4 dead Americans left behind in Benghazi and the team put together to be there when sh*t hits the fan is told to stand down (downright disgraceful and cowardly)...IRS targets conservative groups in audits...DOJ Secretly Obtains Months Of AP Phone Records; AP Condemns 'Unprecedented Intrusion'..looking for words such as constitution and liberty..is it just me or is liberty being trampled on here...truly that many Americans cannot have there head in the sand...never since Nixon..has the BS been so deep. MSNBC did not do 1 minute of coverage on Benghazi...i wonder if they have started to cover it now... individuals watching solely that news outlet will have to google it to know what the heck I'm talking about

i have tried to keep an open mind...liberalism is not a philosophy it is a mental disorder...god help us as a country...when the government starts spying on news outlets and political parties we have lost freedom.when government refuses to send the trained military whose only purpose it is to protect diplomats overseas we have truly lost our way..and dont hand me the crap it was to late...you deploy your assets to save lives...period.....and when news outlets refuse to report stuff because reporters are married to senators daughters who are involved in the scandel we have truly become corrupt as a country controlled by elites...I am so glad i am not in the next generation...they are toast

He is not one to jump to conclusions and usually has an argument about stuff that makes me stop and think real hard. Retired Marine turned entrepreneur turned financial analyst. Usually dead nuts in his assessment of things. When read this I know that I am not that far off base on my thinking...and it is getting more scary every day...
 
I hope the fact that media outlets are coming together to protest the illegal seizure of AP phone records is a sign that the media will finally stop giving Obama and his minions a free pass.

More than 50 major media organizations on Tuesday sent a letter to the Department of Justice protesting the seizure of two months of The Associated Press’ phone records and calling for the department to “mitigate the damage it has caused.”

In a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder and Deputy Attorney James M. Cole, the organizations — which include POLITICO and Allbritton Communications Company — ask that the DOJ return the secretly subpoenaed phone records and explain how government lawyers “overreached so egregiously in this matter.”

The department should also announce any other pending media-related subpoenas and publicly disclose additional information about who has had access to the AP phone records, the groups wrote.
 
carbinemike said:
I hope the fact that media outlets are coming together to protest the illegal seizure of AP phone records is a sign that the media will finally stop giving Obama and his minions a free pass.

More than 50 major media organizations on Tuesday sent a letter to the Department of Justice protesting the seizure of two months of The Associated Press’ phone records and calling for the department to “mitigate the damage it has caused.”

In a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder and Deputy Attorney James M. Cole, the organizations — which include POLITICO and Allbritton Communications Company — ask that the DOJ return the secretly subpoenaed phone records and explain how government lawyers “overreached so egregiously in this matter.”

The department should also announce any other pending media-related subpoenas and publicly disclose additional information about who has had access to the AP phone records, the groups wrote.

Seems there is another kink to this. A congress critter claims that the AP phone records also included calls that involve Congressmen.

HH: The idea that this might be a Geithner-Axelrod plan, and by that, the sort of intimation, Henry II style, will no one rid me of this turbulent priest, will no one rid me of these turbulent Tea Parties, that might have just been a hint, a shift of an eyebrow, a change in the tone of voice. That’s going to take a long time to get to. I don’t trust the Department of Justice on this. Do you, Congressman Nunes?

DN: No, I absolutely do not, especially after this wiretapping incident, essentially, of the House of Representative. I don’t think people are focusing on the right thing when they talk about going after the AP reporters. The big problem that I see is that they actually tapped right where I’m sitting right now, the Cloak Room.

HH: Wait a minute, this is news to me.

DN: The Cloak Room in the House of Representatives.

HH: I have no idea what you’re talking about.

DN: So when they went after the AP reporters, right? Went after all of their phone records, they went after the phone records, including right up here in the House Gallery, right up from where I’m sitting right now. So you have a real separation of powers issue that did this really rise to the level that you would have to get phone records that would, that would most likely include members of Congress, because as you know…

HH: Wow.

DN: …members of Congress talk to the press all the time.

HH: I did not know that, and that is a stunner.

DN: Now that is a separation of powers issue here, Hugh.

HH: Sure.

DN: And it’s a freedom of press issue. And now you’ve got the IRS going after people. So these things are starting to cascade one upon the other, and you have the White House pretending like they’re in the clouds like it’s not their issue somehow.

http://www.hughhewitt.com/congressman-d ... p-scandal/
 
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