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Syria - Message being sent

Sounds like the bathtub is getting pretty crowded. With that much armor floating around, they will probably start rubbing and drafting pretty soon

(please excuse the nascar references in an effort to lighten the mood in here).

We all know that the tone is escalating and that is a lot of hardware for such close proximity.

Thanks men for keeping the updates coming.
 
John A. said:
Sounds like the bathtub is getting pretty crowded. With that much armor floating around, they will probably start rubbing and drafting pretty soon

(please excuse the nascar references in an effort to lighten the mood in here).

We all know that the tone is escalating and that is a lot of hardware for such close proximity.

Thanks men for keeping the updates coming.


And it keeps getting more crowded, and with upgraded old boats. Interesting change of nomenclature by Russia. It's now a task force, rather than just a few ships of various descriptions. Indicates it's now, or will be shortly, a fighting force, and not just a preparation for evacuations of Russian personnel.

MOSCOW, September 6 (RIA Novosti) – Russia will send another warship to the Mediterranean Sea next week, a high-ranking Russian Navy official told RIA Novosti Friday.

The Kashin-class guided missile destroyer Smetlivy from the Black Sea Fleet is due to leave the port of Sevastopol on September 12-14, the official said, adding that it is to join the Mediterranean task force “on a rotational basis.”

More: http://en.ria.ru/world/20130906/1832166 ... icial.html

Smetlivy specs:

300px-Smetlivyy2003.jpg


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smetlivy
 
2 or 3 Chinese ships are preparing to enter the Med just to "watch" the Russians and US warships. This is going south very quickly. obamination met with Putin and pretty much said f'off. So much for diplomacy. Iran has stated it will attack all US citizens up to and including the president's family, all Congress members and their families if the US launches against Syria. Don't know who will launch at Israel first but you can bet that is going to happen very quickly.

On what may be seen as a good note, with 10 countries of the G20 summit siding with Obama on Syria's use of chemical weapons, no one said military action is necessary. Will he go it alone? He seems to be just the moron to do it...
 
I'm really not up for WW3.... I don't care if people say China and Russia have outdated equip and tech.... A million Chinese soldiers with AK's can potentially launch 30 million lethal rounds... Don't be a damn idiot BHO...
 
Don't be a damn idiot BHO

He's way past that, AK. He is trying to show how "great" and strong the US is after flapping his lips. While I admire his gall he is taking us too close to the brink of war for my liking.
 
aksavanaman said:
I'm really not up for WW3.... I don't care if people say China and Russia have outdated equip and tech.... A million Chinese soldiers with AK's can potentially launch 30 million lethal rounds... Don't be a damn idiot BHO...

There's a difference between what people say and the reality. China and Russia have significant military capability (including Stealth detection ) and have been going full bore on modern tech for several years. And they pay cash. We, on the other hand, have been gutting our military capabilities.

Underestimating an opponent can be fatal.
 
Congress Too Cowardly To Vote On Syria?
The issue is pretty simple. The Congress of the United States has to determine whether or not to support U.S. strikes on Syria. It is called a declaration of war and it is the job of Congress to either approve or deny military action.

Today, the National Review Online is reporting that Congressional aides are saying that the House may not even vote on action in Syria if House leadership believes the vote will fail.

“Two new whip counts of House members by ABC News and the liberal Firedoglake web site show a majority of House members firmly or leaning against intervention. The Washington Post’s more conservative count stands at 204 “no” votes, only 13 short of the majority needed to kill the president’s request. “

Now that is leadership!!! NOT!
 
Obama is going to bomb the US media Monday with interviews. I may have to stay in the safe room for an hour or so. Hopefully we'll survive. :roll: ;)

(Reuters) - President Barack Obama will give interviews on Monday to the three network news anchors, as well as to anchors from PBS, CNN, and Fox, more evidence of a "full court press" strategy ahead of pivotal congressional votes on military strikes in Syria.

The interviews will be taped on Monday afternoon and will air during each network's Monday evening news broadcast, the White House said.

And there's this from the UK:
Syria's rebels and soldiers agree: military strikes will change nothing
Syria's rebels and President Bashar al-Assad's soldiers agree on next to nothing. They've killed each other by the tens of thousands in a war mired in stalemate. But they're now agreed on one thing. The military strike America is preparing will not change anything.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... thing.html
 
Russia is floating a proposal for Assad to place his Chem agents under international control - meaning the UN. Right. That'll work. Uh huh. :roll: All we need is the UN in control of this crap. :roll: Next thing is they'll want everyone's nukes also.

Just hours after U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry made an off-hand comment about how Syria could avert a military strike by turning over its chemical weapons program, Russia's foreign minister is proposing that the Assad regime do just that.

Sergey Lavrov said Monday that Russia will push Syria to place its chemical weapons under international control.

"If the establishment of international control over chemical weapons in that country would allow avoiding strikes, we will immediately start working with Damascus," Lavrov said.

The plan could challenge Kerry over comments he made during an earlier press conference in London. Kerry said early Monday morning that if Bashar Assad wanted to defuse the crisis, "he could turn every single bit of his chemical weapons over to the international community" within a week.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09 ... z2ePW0kARe

When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "Stick to the Devil you know."

http://www.kipling.org.uk/poems_copybook.htm
 
Ok, so I sat down and watched the head Numb Nuts in Charge of our country. Many times felt like throwing something at the TV but it is not the TV's fault...

Let's see...the US military doesn't do "pin prick" attacks? What is a limited, military-target-only attack going to be? It had better be spot on or we'll send more civilians to see to their maker. Then the world will be back at us.

No "boots on the ground"? How are you going to target only the weapons storage areas? By satellite images? No laser designators?

We are only going to hit chemical weapons storage facilities? We didn't know they had chemicals but now we know where they are, weeks after telling them we are coming? And there is still conflicting evidence on who actually used the weapons in the first place. And info that we may have known/assisted in their release. Oh, what a tangled web we weave...

No escalation or protracted war? Better ask Russia and China about that. Don't forget Iran!

And Israel can stand on her own? Really? They are good but there are a lot more countries that don't like them and wish they were gone. Yes, we back them but obamaination's comments should be cause for concern for Israel.

Was glad to hear we are stepping back a bit with more international involvement. I guess he and Putin met for longer than the 15 minutes reported in the news...must have had secret chambers in the hotel for him to sneak out unnoticed. Maybe Obama brought McCain's video poker game along to share with Putin...that's a deal maker for sure...
 
I watched the address too. All 15 whole minutes of it.

paraphrasing:

We called for a special hearing, and to have this national address, but we're going to wait to ask congress to vote on anything.

Wait,... what?

and

Do it for the children.

One of their favorite talking points. Where have I heard that one before?

More of this administrations do nothing approach. If Washington really wanted to do something about it, it would've already happened. But they stuck their foot in their mouth and are now enjoying a nice heaping serving of it.

Personally, I do not think that Syria or anyone else would relinquish their weapons just because they were asked to.

They may relinquish some maybe just as a smokescreen if that is what it takes, but I highly doubt that they would turn them all in. That is not a logical thought to me.

And another fact of the matter, even if chem. weapons aren't used, there are still other means to kill large numbers of people in short order.

They're using tanks, aircraft, small arms, high explosives, and every means they have available to their disposal. This is not unlike what would happen here if we were to have another civil war. Don't doubt that for a single second people.

Are those methods other than chem weapons up for global debate and confiscation next? They can inflict large numbers of casualties too.

I have heard more than one mention of hindering Syria's air force and tarmac's already, so that is on the table as well.

And my final point, the United States had a civil war where more than 620,000 soldiers were killed, and that is not counting the innocent women and children. (yes it did happen whether it is politically correct to discuss or not).

And that is also not counting the losses that would include livestock/food, homes, buildings, virginity/virtue, personal property and sometimes entire towns and county seats were burned to the ground on their marches through.

Did Syria help anyone during our civil war? No.

Let them fight it out amongst themselves however they see fit.
 
John A. said:
Let them fight it out amongst themselves however they see fit.
that's what I'm talkn about, don't wish that on anyone but its not our problem, we have plenty of our own
 
We should know by now that we have a political eunuch in the White House, and nobody has any respect for a eunuch. Which is why other world leaders yank on his chain so often.
 
Did Assad do it again? Maybe. Are the rebels lying? Maybe. Can't trust anybody over there. Screw 'em all.

According to Syrian rebels, on Thursday, the Assad regime launched another gas attack in Damascus. Rebels said that the attack happened in the Jobar area of Damascus, and that they did not know the nature of the chemical weapons, but that rebels were having trouble breathing. The rebels also posted video to Youtube showing rebels struggling to breathe.

The Syrians, apparently emboldened by the Obama administration’s decision to allow Syrian ally Russia to delay action through negotiation at the United Nations, have launched new assaults against the rebels ever since Tuesday. On Wednesday, 11 people were apparently killed in an Assad attack on a Syrian field hospital.

If the reports are accurate, the new attack represents a significant setback to the Obama administration’s new Russian-led negotiation strategy. Meanwhile, the Obama administration continues to insist, in somewhat pathetic fashion, that negotiations with Russia may bear fruit, even as the Russian regime reportedly plans on setting up a new nuclear facility, as well as selling anti-aircraft missiles to Iran.

If the reports are inaccurate, the Obama administration will surely be forced to explain the evidentiary difference between last month’s chemical attack, which the administration has insisted is directly attributable to Assad, and today’s alleged attack.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013 ... ons-attack
 
The UN has released their report on the Syria gas attack. They positively identified sarin and M-14 rockets were used by somebody. The BM-14 is an old Russian multiple rocket launcher that can be fitted with M-14 artillery rockets with a range of about 7 miles that carry about a 20lb warhead, HE frag, Chem, or Smoke. Unguided area suppression stuff. Syria and many other countries have them, so it's feasible that a few are in the hands of the rebels. They're sort of the AK-47 of artillery rockets.
 
http://benswann.com/ben-swann-reports-a ... ournalist/

“In May of this year, Turkish military seized 2kg of sarin from “rebel” fighters from al Nusra Front. As we have extensively reported, al Nusra is the largest, best funded and most organized opposition force to the Assad regime. On May 30, 2013 when Turkish security forces arrested those 12 members of al Nusra Front, they found not only the 2kgs of sarin but those authorities went on to say that the sarin was going to be used in a bomb.”

“While the Syrian regime continues the process of eliminating its chemical arsenal, the irony is that, after Assad’s stockpile of precursor agents is destroyed, al-Nusra and its Islamist allies could end up as the only faction inside Syria with access to the ingredients that can create sarin, a strategic weapon that would be unlike any other in the war zone.”

al Nusra is the al Qaeda faction fighting, and one WE were going to support, in Syria...ain't that special...
 
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