I posted so I guess I'll go first. I think he will get off and I think he should.
Zimmerman, pre and post trial discussion
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Re: Zimmerman, guilty or innocent
I think he'll be acquitted, and in all likelihood he deserves to be acquitted but I don't know everything there is to know about the case so can't say with any certainty. I won't be surprised if he ends up losing the civil suit that will probably follow the criminal trial though.
I hope I'm never in his situation, and it gives us all something to think about when we make the decision to keep a firearm to protect ourselves and our families. If, heaven forbid, we one day have to use it, even if it saves a life, we can count on our every little decision, before and after we pulled the trigger, being under heavy scrutiny by people who, many of them, aren't in agreement with our having that firearm in the first place.
I think he'll be acquitted, and in all likelihood he deserves to be acquitted but I don't know everything there is to know about the case so can't say with any certainty. I won't be surprised if he ends up losing the civil suit that will probably follow the criminal trial though.
I hope I'm never in his situation, and it gives us all something to think about when we make the decision to keep a firearm to protect ourselves and our families. If, heaven forbid, we one day have to use it, even if it saves a life, we can count on our every little decision, before and after we pulled the trigger, being under heavy scrutiny by people who, many of them, aren't in agreement with our having that firearm in the first place.
Re: Zimmerman, guilty or innocent
I think he is innocent of the crime they have charged him with but guilty of not using good judgment. If he had pulled is firearm before confronting Martin then I can see the murder charge. But if he was doing his normal patrol, approached a person who did not belong there and a fight ensued then I think he is innocent of murder. Martin is not an innocent victim as his family has portrayed...
I think he is innocent of the crime they have charged him with but guilty of not using good judgment. If he had pulled is firearm before confronting Martin then I can see the murder charge. But if he was doing his normal patrol, approached a person who did not belong there and a fight ensued then I think he is innocent of murder. Martin is not an innocent victim as his family has portrayed...
Re: Zimmerman, guilty or innocent
I don't know, but I have felt all along that he was arrested due to racial stresses.
Charge him and bring him to trial, just so some of the population would calm down.
So everyone would have their day in court.
If he was guilty that he be sentenced, and if he was innocent, than to release him.
There. I said it.
I feel that his charges were racially and even politically motivated. Even the police testified that they had felt pressured to charge him. I just wonder who was doing the pressuring.
I have watched very little of the court proceedings on TV, but I heard the prosecutor asked two different LEO (witnesses) if they thought Zimmerman was racially profiling the young man and was doing his best to try to paint it as a hate killing.
Had this happened prior to Sandy Hook, it wouldn't have been more than a headline on the evening news, but we had just gotten over the shock of that and the mainstream media covered every shooting in the country for a few weeks afterwards and this one had peoples' attention all over the country.
The president made statements, celebrities were posting tweets and directions to zimmermans home, etc. In short, it was a very heated topic for many.
I truly feel for Trayvon Martins' family, and have prayed for them, and I respect them from what little I have heard from them giving statements to the press. I'm not suggesting their son did anything wrong, any more than I am suggesting that Zimmerman did.
I could sit back and speculate a dozen different scenarios all night, but I wasn't there, I know nothing specific about any of it, but God knows what happened that night and is where I get my peace from knowing if there is a punishment to dole out, in the end, whoever was wrong will have to look God right in the eye for it and there is no escaping that.
I don't know, but I have felt all along that he was arrested due to racial stresses.
Charge him and bring him to trial, just so some of the population would calm down.
So everyone would have their day in court.
If he was guilty that he be sentenced, and if he was innocent, than to release him.
There. I said it.
I feel that his charges were racially and even politically motivated. Even the police testified that they had felt pressured to charge him. I just wonder who was doing the pressuring.
I have watched very little of the court proceedings on TV, but I heard the prosecutor asked two different LEO (witnesses) if they thought Zimmerman was racially profiling the young man and was doing his best to try to paint it as a hate killing.
Had this happened prior to Sandy Hook, it wouldn't have been more than a headline on the evening news, but we had just gotten over the shock of that and the mainstream media covered every shooting in the country for a few weeks afterwards and this one had peoples' attention all over the country.
The president made statements, celebrities were posting tweets and directions to zimmermans home, etc. In short, it was a very heated topic for many.
I truly feel for Trayvon Martins' family, and have prayed for them, and I respect them from what little I have heard from them giving statements to the press. I'm not suggesting their son did anything wrong, any more than I am suggesting that Zimmerman did.
I could sit back and speculate a dozen different scenarios all night, but I wasn't there, I know nothing specific about any of it, but God knows what happened that night and is where I get my peace from knowing if there is a punishment to dole out, in the end, whoever was wrong will have to look God right in the eye for it and there is no escaping that.
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Iam with John on this one.
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Iam with John on this one.
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Yes, there was, and still is, a lot of political pressure to take this to trial. Now all the scumbags in the wings are threatening an all out riot if he is not convicted. If that happens it will not be restricted to FL but will spread just because...saw that happen in Miami in the 80's when a Hispanic cop shot a black motorcyclist as he went by. Killed the man and his passenger. Riots erupted everywhere down there. It is not justice if the powers that be and public outcries force the verdict.
Yes, there was, and still is, a lot of political pressure to take this to trial. Now all the scumbags in the wings are threatening an all out riot if he is not convicted. If that happens it will not be restricted to FL but will spread just because...saw that happen in Miami in the 80's when a Hispanic cop shot a black motorcyclist as he went by. Killed the man and his passenger. Riots erupted everywhere down there. It is not justice if the powers that be and public outcries force the verdict.
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I honestly can't even venture a guess at this point. Based on what I think I know it seems like a legitimate SD case. But I'm sure there is still a lot I don't know that may say other wise and the rules of the law do not always seem to correspond to what I think based on my own logic.
Criminally guilty or not the guy's life will never be the same. Aside from dealing with the act itself, the media, Black Panthers, Al Sharpton, etc. has made him into a racist, trigger happy child killing monster to the naive public. Even if found innocent that will not change and no apologies will be made.
I honestly can't even venture a guess at this point. Based on what I think I know it seems like a legitimate SD case. But I'm sure there is still a lot I don't know that may say other wise and the rules of the law do not always seem to correspond to what I think based on my own logic.
Criminally guilty or not the guy's life will never be the same. Aside from dealing with the act itself, the media, Black Panthers, Al Sharpton, etc. has made him into a racist, trigger happy child killing monster to the naive public. Even if found innocent that will not change and no apologies will be made.
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Happened to catch the "firearms expert" testimony. Zimmerman's pistol was a keltec pf-9.
http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/pistols/pf-9/
Happened to catch the "firearms expert" testimony. Zimmerman's pistol was a keltec pf-9.
http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/pistols/pf-9/
Re: Zimmerman, guilty or innocent
Innocent until proven guilty by Snooky's Twitter page and Facebook. This shit pisses me off every day.
I don't know much about the trial so I can't comment on the specifics.. but as you guys have said, this is all about race and politics (Go figure...). At this point I don't even think the ouctome of the trial would make a difference... at least not in Zimmerman's life.
John A. said:
Innocent until proven guilty by Snooky's Twitter page and Facebook. This shit pisses me off every day.
I don't know much about the trial so I can't comment on the specifics.. but as you guys have said, this is all about race and politics (Go figure...). At this point I don't even think the ouctome of the trial would make a difference... at least not in Zimmerman's life.
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I relooked at some of the timing. The original shooting was on February 26th. Zimmerman wasn't charged until April 11th and only after it received national attention. The press showed pictures of a much younger Martin and I believe it was MSNBC that actually redid Zimmerman's picture to make him look much lighter skinned. The president even chipped in that if he had a son he'd look like Treyvon Martin. As recently as last week CNN broadcast Zimmerman's address and social security number.
Zimmerman pictured on the back of a police car on the night of the shooting.
The whole thing is tragic. Zimmerman could have waited in the car as instructed by the 911 operator. Martin could have run and lost him instead of jumping him. Unfortunately they didn't and one ended up dead and the other will have a ruined life no matter the outcome.
True, but it's also about the left wanting to get rid of the stand your ground laws. They won't be happy until the expectation is to wimper and crawl away.aksavanaman said:
I relooked at some of the timing. The original shooting was on February 26th. Zimmerman wasn't charged until April 11th and only after it received national attention. The press showed pictures of a much younger Martin and I believe it was MSNBC that actually redid Zimmerman's picture to make him look much lighter skinned. The president even chipped in that if he had a son he'd look like Treyvon Martin. As recently as last week CNN broadcast Zimmerman's address and social security number.
Zimmerman pictured on the back of a police car on the night of the shooting.
The whole thing is tragic. Zimmerman could have waited in the car as instructed by the 911 operator. Martin could have run and lost him instead of jumping him. Unfortunately they didn't and one ended up dead and the other will have a ruined life no matter the outcome.
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Politics it is...another "Martin Dad" steps in...Holder that is...
And this was excluded from the trial:
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/07/10/ne ... -protests/
http://pjmedia.com/blog/disorder-judge- ... -evidence/
Politics it is...another "Martin Dad" steps in...Holder that is...
And this was excluded from the trial:
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/07/10/ne ... -protests/
http://pjmedia.com/blog/disorder-judge- ... -evidence/
Re: Zimmerman, guilty or innocent
Given the judge's behavior during this circus, I suspect this case will be declared a mistrial, and it will start all over with a new judge and jury. At the very least, if Z is not acquitted, it will be appealed on various grounds.
Given the judge's behavior during this circus, I suspect this case will be declared a mistrial, and it will start all over with a new judge and jury. At the very least, if Z is not acquitted, it will be appealed on various grounds.
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Keeping the fact that Martin was a thug out of the courtroom skews the outcome in his favor. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck. Same with Martin...guns, fighting, drugs, gangbanger. Looking for a altercation and found one. If Zimmerman didn't have a gun would he be the one dead from a severe beating?
Keeping the fact that Martin was a thug out of the courtroom skews the outcome in his favor. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck. Same with Martin...guns, fighting, drugs, gangbanger. Looking for a altercation and found one. If Zimmerman didn't have a gun would he be the one dead from a severe beating?
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I really hope he isn't convicted of anything. The evidence seems overwhelming that Martin initiated the physical contact that ended with the fatal shot. Martin's own dad at first admitted to police that the voice on the 911 tape screaming for help wasn't his son. The lib news media keeps saying why didn't Zimmerman do this or that and it would have been prevented? How about Martin? Seems like they both could have done things differently. Seems like Martin's parents could have done things differently. As much as he posted, texted and got into trouble for is seems like they ignored him becoming a thug until it got him killed. Then it's someone else's fault he was killed. No accountability...typical American anymore.
I really hope he isn't convicted of anything. The evidence seems overwhelming that Martin initiated the physical contact that ended with the fatal shot. Martin's own dad at first admitted to police that the voice on the 911 tape screaming for help wasn't his son. The lib news media keeps saying why didn't Zimmerman do this or that and it would have been prevented? How about Martin? Seems like they both could have done things differently. Seems like Martin's parents could have done things differently. As much as he posted, texted and got into trouble for is seems like they ignored him becoming a thug until it got him killed. Then it's someone else's fault he was killed. No accountability...typical American anymore.
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From 2 Martin supporters
"Today, justice failed Trayvon Martin and his family," said Roslyn M. Brock, Chairman of the NAACP, in a statement. "We call immediately for the Justice Department to conduct an investigation into the civil rights violations committed against Trayvon Martin. This case has re-energized the movement to end racial profiling in the United States."
"We are outraged and heartbroken over today’s verdict," said Benjamin Todd Jealous, President and CEO of the NAACP, in another statement. "We stand with Trayvon’s family and we are called to act. We will pursue civil rights charges with the Department of Justice, we will continue to fight for the removal of Stand Your Ground laws in every state, and we will not rest until racial profiling in all its forms is outlawed."
I wish one of them would have said "this shows that you just can't jump and start beating on someone or you may pay the ultimate price". I haven't heard any Martin supporters condemn that he was beating up Zimmerman or speak of accountability for ones actions. It's all blame someone else.
I'm glad to see that the system can work yet even with the bias that most of the media displayed.nitesite said:
From 2 Martin supporters
"Today, justice failed Trayvon Martin and his family," said Roslyn M. Brock, Chairman of the NAACP, in a statement. "We call immediately for the Justice Department to conduct an investigation into the civil rights violations committed against Trayvon Martin. This case has re-energized the movement to end racial profiling in the United States."
"We are outraged and heartbroken over today’s verdict," said Benjamin Todd Jealous, President and CEO of the NAACP, in another statement. "We stand with Trayvon’s family and we are called to act. We will pursue civil rights charges with the Department of Justice, we will continue to fight for the removal of Stand Your Ground laws in every state, and we will not rest until racial profiling in all its forms is outlawed."
I wish one of them would have said "this shows that you just can't jump and start beating on someone or you may pay the ultimate price". I haven't heard any Martin supporters condemn that he was beating up Zimmerman or speak of accountability for ones actions. It's all blame someone else.
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Glad for the verdict, however there will likely be some nut cases that will go after GZ, and the jurors, and maybe anyone else they think they can visit some revenge on.
And some rioting has already begun. Oakland: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... nd-Trayvon
Glad for the verdict, however there will likely be some nut cases that will go after GZ, and the jurors, and maybe anyone else they think they can visit some revenge on.
And some rioting has already begun. Oakland: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... nd-Trayvon
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Though I don't agree with them, I have no problem with peaceful protests. Oakland doesn't surprise me that they had problems. Sometimes I think Oakland would have civil disobedience for no other reason than "it's Tuesday".
Though I don't agree with them, I have no problem with peaceful protests. Oakland doesn't surprise me that they had problems. Sometimes I think Oakland would have civil disobedience for no other reason than "it's Tuesday".