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165 gr 9mm bullets

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  1. John A.

    John A. I'm "THAT" guy Staff Member Global Moderator Forum Moderator

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    I wanted to give a run down of the 165 gr Xtreme brand (hush) bullets. (not loaded ammo)

    They were purchased (black Friday sale) 11-24.

    Delivered 12-12. 18 days

    Not really stellar shipping times. But that isn't really what the topic is about either.

    Upon opening the box, I admit they are really pretty.

    165 GR 032.JPG

    I randomly picked 3 to weigh and measure. Below were the extremes. All 3 were pretty inconsistent really.

    165 GR 035.JPG

    165 GR 033.JPG

    165 length 001.JPG

    Weight:

    165 GR 039.JPG

    165 GR 038.JPG

    I have a load that I am wanting to try, using 2.8 gr titegroup, COL = 1.15 territory to see how it performs.

    Once I verify velocity and proper stabilization, I'll put a few through my suppressor(s) to see how they sound, but live fire wont' be today with that storm blowing in from the north. It's colder than a witches tit outside right now.
  2. nitesite

    nitesite Sheepdog Forum Moderator "Philanthropist"

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    That ought to put some smack on steel. :)

    Fairly short barrel? (under 10")
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  3. John A.

    John A. I'm "THAT" guy Staff Member Global Moderator Forum Moderator

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    I'm going to test it in multiple firearms.

    But mainly for my suppressed 9's.

    AR9--6.5" barrel
    Scorpion (which honestly is wearing a 16 inch rifle barrel now)
    mp5--5.5" barrel
    uzi (another 16 inch barrel).

    Will see what they do in the various handguns as well.

    I checked the difference in length of the 165 gr and 147 gr bullets that I had been using. The 165's are only .073" longer

    I had a good load of 147 subs worked up with 3.2 gr. titegroup seated at 1.10".

    So, in order to try to keep roughly the same pressures, I loaded up 5 of the 165's col 1.12 and loaded up 5 at 1.15" @ 2.8 gr TG.

    I'm going to shoot the 1.15 seated bullets first just to make sure there are no pressure signs or for anything funny going on, and if they shoot them well, I'll try the ones I seated deeper, but going by the 147 data I had been using, is keeping roughly the same depth over the powder.

    You know how I am at trying to be cautious.
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  4. John A.

    John A. I'm "THAT" guy Staff Member Global Moderator Forum Moderator

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    I like the 1.12" col and 2.8 gr the best so I'm going to load up about a hundred of them the first chance that I get to replace the rounds in my HD mags with them.

    The battery in my chrony died before I got the chance to check the velocity with my integral 9 which has the ~7 inch barrel, but I did get 3 different readings through the 16" uzi before it went kaput. I was getting 903 fps average from it.

    And it wasn't what I consider to be really loud even without the can, although my hearing isn't what it used to be. With the can, it sounded amazing.

    They were all stable, accuracy was good (considering I was standing off hand and mostly just shooting in a circle to make sure they weren't tumbling or yawing).

    Cycled correctly.

    This load is a keeper.
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  5. oli700

    oli700 12g Supporter "Philanthropist"

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    awesome !
  6. nitesite

    nitesite Sheepdog Forum Moderator "Philanthropist"

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    Hi oli700.

    John, glad to hear you have a good load developed.
  7. John A.

    John A. I'm "THAT" guy Staff Member Global Moderator Forum Moderator

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    Shot some out of the 6.75" barreled AR9 to get some velocities.

    For the record, that barrel is also ported, and I was getting about 50 fps decrease with the porting when checking the 147's. So, I expect that a non-ported barrel will add fps to the numbers that I was getting this evening.

    782
    785
    821
    814
    825

    average= 805 fps

    Through the 16" scorpion barrel

    832
    844
    850

    average = 842
  8. nitesite

    nitesite Sheepdog Forum Moderator "Philanthropist"

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    Kewl

    Smacks the steel and pins?
  9. John A.

    John A. I'm "THAT" guy Staff Member Global Moderator Forum Moderator

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    Yep. Did you get my PM?

    On another note, I need to make a tater tunnel. That would be a lot cheaper than making gel to see what depth of penetration they're getting.
  10. nitesite

    nitesite Sheepdog Forum Moderator "Philanthropist"

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    I did get your PM. Thank You!

    The Tater Tunnel really works great!
  11. John A.

    John A. I'm "THAT" guy Staff Member Global Moderator Forum Moderator

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    Did some more shooting with some of the 165 gr reloads again today. Just a little more powder went a long way. .2 gr powder added about 50fps more velocity.

    5.5 inch MP5
    165 gr bullet 2.8 gr @ 1.155" col--avg velocity 790.5
    165 gr bullet 3.0 gr @1.160" col--avg velocity 862.5

    6.5" (ported) AR9
    165 gr bullet 2.8 gr @ 1.155" col--avg velocity 787.5
    165 gr bullet 3.0 gr @1.160" col--avg velocity 833.5

    16" Scorpion evo
    165 gr bullet 2.8 gr @ 1.155" col--avg velocity 894.5
    165 gr bullet 3.0 gr @1.160" col--avg velocity 928.0
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