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Buckshot

nitesite said:
And in an ammo can no less!
Sweet!
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Yeah, the can will come in handy. Hope to get some time to shoot these rounds soon.


Tony617! said:
Are the Fiocchi rounds 2 3/4"? I have also bought some Noble Sport #4 and 00 buckshot rounds and they are a bit longer like the Rio Royal 00 buckshot so I had to under load by one here as well.
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Yup. Haven't tried loading them yet. Got home quite late last night. Trying to figure out how to get more people to show for our archery tournaments...maybe the winner gets a box of these? LOL...
 
nitesite said:
I hope I didn't create any misunderstanding.
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Not at all, I was just asking for people's preferences really. I'm no ammo snob, I just was curious about what other people's experiences with those loads were.


OhioArcher said:
Trying to figure out how to get more people to show for our archery tournaments...maybe the winner gets a box of these? LOL...
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Offer a box of 9mm or .45 ACP as a prize?
 
Joe57 said:
OhioArcher said:
Trying to figure out how to get more people to show for our archery tournaments...maybe the winner gets a box of these? LOL...
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Offer a box of 9mm or .45 ACP as a prize?
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Or a hundred rounds of .22 Long Rifle :lol:
 
Found some Hornady TAP 00 Buckshot in stock at PrecisionRifleSupply.com. Ordered 10 boxes at $4.50/ea - 50 rounds total.

http://www.precisionriflesupply.com..._Gauge_00_Buck_Semi_A_p/mg-hornadytap12ga.htm

Unfortunately, this is the bare bones buckshot, not with the VersaTite wad, at least according to the pics on the site. Either way, I imagine it's still fantastic buckshot. I also have 10 rounds of the Federal Vital-Shok w/FliteControl Wad in 3" coming my way.

I typically like to stick to one flavor of ammo and stock up on it but these both got such great reviews I figured there was no harm in picking them up while I have the cash.

Anyway, figured I'd post up in case anybody was interested in the TAP rounds on the site.

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nitesite said:
FliteControl is nice at times but it's basically an expensive slug round at seven and ten yards and is totally unnecessary when training at shorter ranges.

I hope I didn't create any misunderstanding.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but with a solid slug if it doesn't break up at all in the tissue then you have a solid mass of lead coming out the other end and very minimal slowdown. With a tight wad of buckshot at least the lead is already broken up into 9 individual pieces instead of one solid mass. Yes they all add up to just over an ounce going in and hit as if a solid mass but wouldn't they immediately have a tendency to breakup quite a bit in tissue? Or does the flitecontrol wad do a pretty good job keeping them intact even in a person/deer/etc...? I would think 9 pieces should loose more momentum as each pellet weighs a fraction of what one solid mass weighs going in?

Sorry if I'm way off the mark here in my thought process. Please correct me if I am. Just trying to understand it myself correctly.
 
The way I see it the way you see it, and that is the exact reason as you go down in shot size you have less and less penetration at a given distance

I think even if the shot is in the wad when it hits tissue they separate and the pellets take separate paths through the tissue....I haven’t shot very many FC rounds, I know they look like a slug when you shoot paper and cardboard with them, my shotgun never did shoot them that well as far as the pattern and after I had the VCS it didn’t improve them at all, not like the cheaper ammo and my hand loaded buck.
 
jgwills said:
nitesite said:
FliteControl is nice at times but it's basically an expensive slug round at seven and ten yards and is totally unnecessary when training at shorter ranges.

I hope I didn't create any misunderstanding.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but with a solid slug if it doesn't break up at all in the tissue then you have a solid mass of lead coming out the other end and very minimal slowdown. With a tight wad of buckshot at least the lead is already broken up into 9 individual pieces instead of one solid mass. Yes they all add up to just over an ounce going in and hit as if a solid mass but wouldn't they immediately have a tendency to breakup quite a bit in tissue? Or does the flitecontrol wad do a pretty good job keeping them intact even in a person/deer/etc...? I would think 9 pieces should loose more momentum as each pellet weighs a fraction of what one solid mass weighs going in?

Sorry if I'm way off the mark here in my thought process. Please correct me if I am. Just trying to understand it myself correctly.
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Unless you have a slug that breaks up into 3 large pieces. Not sure how well it works but Winchester makes a segmenting slug:

http://www.winchester.com/products/...ve/PDX1-Defender-Shotshell/Pages/default.aspx
 
I was trying to illustrate that for training on paper targets the hole in the target is virtually the same with FliteControl buckshot as there is with a slug. You can completely miss at 5- or 7-yards with FliteControl or a slug on things like head shots on a B-27. Less likely to have a complete miss with traditional buckshot loads.

In tissue a good soft slug often breaks up into several large fragments. Check out the TruBall 1600-fps slug load here

http://le.atk.com/wound_ballistics/load ... rison.aspx
 
nitesite said:
I was trying to illustrate that for training on paper targets the hole in the target is virtually the same with FliteControl buckshot as there is with a slug. You can completely miss at 5- or 7-yards with FliteControl or a slug on things like head shots on a B-27. Less likely to have a complete miss with traditional buckshot loads.

In tissue a good soft slug often breaks up into several large fragments. Check out the TruBall 1600-fps slug load here

http://le.atk.com/wound_ballistics/load ... rison.aspx
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As a newbie, thanks for posting that link - very beneficial! Wish Hornady had an interface like that.

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Whether or not the individual buck shot will break apart themselves isn't all that likely but will depend on velocity and what the shot is cast from and soft tissue/hard target impacts... but regardless the individual pellets will certainly shed energy faster then a single slug itself, both in the air and in a target....

The biggest thing to consider with multiple impacts close together or outright the same spot like with a close quarters versatite/flight control load is the fact that they maybe travel down the same wound channel and have deeper penetration because of this.
 
I fired about 70 rounds of that Federal Powershok last Saturday. It consistently kept all 9 pellets inside the Q at 15 yards so that makes it a consistently 12 inch or smaller spread at 15 yards.

I ran a few rounds of RIO Royal 00 throughout the day and I was getting about 15 inches at 15 yards consistently, I wasn't getting any fliers though so that wasn't bad.

The Federal PowerShok seemed a bit more comfortable to shoot for some reason even though they are technically the same load I think, but I suppose thats the same as 2.75'' being 2.75" in a different brand.

I hereby recommend this as a good round at a good price:

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/product_i ... 4-buckshot
 
Thanks, Joe for a really good review.

I am glad that you were not disappointed with either load. Some of the listings you previously mentioned would have performed rather poorly so I am glad you stuck with the better stuff.
 
Joe57 said:
I fired about 70 rounds of that Federal Powershok last Saturday. It consistently kept all 9 pellets inside the Q at 15 yards so that makes it a consistently 12 inch or smaller spread at 15 yards.

I ran a few rounds of RIO Royal 00 throughout the day and I was getting about 15 inches at 15 yards consistently, I wasn't getting any fliers though so that wasn't bad.

The Federal PowerShok seemed a bit more comfortable to shoot for some reason even though they are technically the same load I think, but I suppose thats the same as 2.75'' being 2.75" in a different brand.

I hereby recommend this as a good round at a good price:

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/product_i ... 4-buckshot
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You can actually order Federal rounds again. I haven't been find any Federal rounds for a while. That's why I take either Nobel Sport #4 buckshot or Rio Royal 00 buckshot to the gun range right now. I do have some Federal XM127 00 buckshot rounds but I keeping them for HD.
 
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