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Recommended .223/5.56 round for coyote?

Discussion in '.223 Remington/5.56 NATO' started by Rossignol, Feb 17, 2012.

  1. Rossignol

    Rossignol The Original Sheriff Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator Sponsor

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    With the AR coming, we're hoping to get out for some coyote hunting. We have slugs for the shotguns, but I'm not sure what to go with in .223 Remington or 5.56.

    I have FMJ, but I'm thinkin an SP, or JHP or something like that would be better. Maybe even the offerings from Hornady or Nossler with balistic tips?

    Anyone have a favorite here?
  2. nitesite

    nitesite Sheepdog Moderator "Philanthropist"

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    'Yotes weigh so little that a good 55-gr FMJ w/ cannelure will devastate them internally. Hit in the widest part they may not exit.

    Are you wishing to save pelts for sale or anything in the fur market?

    A 62-gr Pointed Soft Point (PSP) will leave an exit hole about the size of a nickel. Every time.

    A Ballistic Silvertip or Hornady SST is accurate at long range and will also likely leave an exit hole.

    JHPs are really not "expanding" hollow points like normally encountered in handgun ammo. The hole in the tip is really tiny, and the hollow space in the nose is just to move the lead core mass rearward to enhance long range accuracy. They don't expand worth a crap, don't break apart like a FMJ w/ cannelure; they just punch a very small wound channel thru yotes. You'll likely lose one or to if they run off and die later.

    What's your desired effect?
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  3. Rossignol

    Rossignol The Original Sheriff Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator Sponsor

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    Good insight!

    I will likely try and save pelts. I have no desire to have to track a wounded coyote and I especially dislike leaving an animal greivously wounded.

    Any brands recommended with the cannelure?
  4. John A.

    John A. I'm "THAT" guy Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Hornady 55gr Vmax

    OR

    if you can find any of the old 45 gr Winchester white box varmint bullets. They're very accurate and do really good for preserving pelts. The tips kind of look like a star and fragment almost immediately.
  5. Rossignol

    Rossignol The Original Sheriff Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator Sponsor

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    Thanks John!

    Whaddyall think about something like the Hornady TAPFPD 55 gr ballistic tip @ $17 per 20?
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    oli700 12g Supporter "Philanthropist"

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    Z MAX Bro !
  7. Rossignol

    Rossignol The Original Sheriff Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator Sponsor

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    :lol: I actually considered it, and I think theyre the same price as the TAP! Only in a brass case. I figured the nickel will hold up better if I leave rounds loaded in a magazine, especially goin in and out of the cold...

    OH! The Hornady TAP 55 gr in .223 Remington is cannelured!
  8. nitesite

    nitesite Sheepdog Moderator "Philanthropist"

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    Hi again.

    The TAP For Personal Defense is just a Hornady V-max bullet in fancier packaging and nickel or brass cases, and maybe a flash suppressed powder. Some of it is even downloaded to a lower velocity than their regular hunting line of ammo. A lot of it is marketing. So, other than the Barrier or BTHP law enforcement stuff, you can get the same or better ballistic performance from Hornady's regular line of V-Max ammunition or their Light Magnum/Superperformance line. There might be a little savings at the cash register with their tan box traditional ammo over the TAP.

    I'm of the belief that 'yotes aren't that hard to kill.

    Have a great time and enjoy hunting!
  9. Rossignol

    Rossignol The Original Sheriff Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator Sponsor

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    You know... There are a ton of nuances in the realm of .223/5.56 ammo.

    The sometimes very small differences totally repurpose the round, as you touched on NiteSite, it can be the difference of barrier penatration and a varmint load.

    Do we have a thread dedicated to .223/5.56 and all it can do? Maybe we need one, kinda like a quick reference list of compiled data to choose a load from manufacturers to suit ones needs and desired affects?
  10. John A.

    John A. I'm "THAT" guy Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    That would be a difficult undertaking. Entire books have been written on less.

    If I run across a question that I'm unsure about, I usually reference http://ammo.ar15.com/

    I don't really like linking to that site, but they do have some good stuff hidden in the bowels of the site.
  11. Sn3aKyGuY

    Sn3aKyGuY .30-06

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    LOL I just recently signed up there John, and I can already tell what you mean. Lots of great info, but you better pull your waders up high to get through all the bs
  12. Rossignol

    Rossignol The Original Sheriff Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator Sponsor

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    YES! I've been registered there over a year and rarely get on there... You hit right on the head Sneaky!
  13. Sn3aKyGuY

    Sn3aKyGuY .30-06

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  14. Rossignol

    Rossignol The Original Sheriff Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator Sponsor

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    :shock: Those look sweet... but I dont know about using those on coyotes! :lol:
  15. Sn3aKyGuY

    Sn3aKyGuY .30-06

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    U scured brah!? :lol: Yea, but they would be fun to plink with on the 4th or other special occasion. $50 for 20 rounds though.
  16. Rossignol

    Rossignol The Original Sheriff Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator Sponsor

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    UGGGGHHHH!!!!! Two words. NO and WAY!!! :lol: well, maybe one day! :D I aint skeered!
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    +1 on the Winchester White Box 45gr. I pick up a box whenever I see them @ Wal-Mart. Usually around $30 for a 40 rd box. My .223 H&R loves them.
    I can also vouch for the Hornady loads. I had them in .222 Rem. out of a Remington Model 700 and they would flat turn a groundhog inside out!
  18. John A.

    John A. I'm "THAT" guy Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    :shock: Are you serious?

    I remember when they were $8 per 40.
  19. Sn3aKyGuY

    Sn3aKyGuY .30-06

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    And let me guess ... gas was $0.85/gal. :lol:
  20. John A.

    John A. I'm "THAT" guy Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    No, this was only just maybe 6, or 8 years ago when walmart was selling them for that.

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