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Attention California members

Discussion in 'Gun Rights, Fights and Rallies' started by John A., May 20, 2016.

  1. John A.

    John A. I'm "THAT" guy Staff Member Administrator Global Moderator


    SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) -- Democrats in the California Senate made another attempt Thursday to outlaw the sale of assault weapons with easily detachable magazines as part of a wide-ranging slate of gun control bills they approved.

    Lawmakers also voted to require that people turn in magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds as they backed nearly a dozen measures that would significantly reshape California's gun laws, already among the strictest in the U.S. The move follows last year's terrorist attack in San Bernardino.

    Legislative leaders are rushing to head off a ballot measure advocated by Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom, a fellow Democrat, asking voters to enact many of the same policies. They worry the initiative will fire up gun rights supporters, potentially increasing turnout of conservative voters who could impact the result in close districts.

    California's assault-weapon ban prohibits new rifles with magazines that can be detached without the aid of tools. To get around the law, gun makers developed so called bullet buttons that allow a shooter to quickly dislodge the magazine using the tip of a bullet or other small tool.

    "They are designed only to facilitate the maximum destruction of human life," said Sen. Isadore Hall, D-Compton, who co-wrote the bullet-button ban.

    Law enforcement officials recovered two rifles and two handguns after the San Bernardino attack. Both types of rifles are sold with bullet buttons.

    Outlawing bullet buttons and high-capacity magazines is a priority for gun control advocates, who hope that making it harder to reload would limit the carnage a mass shooter can inflict. Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown in 2013 vetoed the Legislature's last attempt to ban bullet buttons, saying it was too far-reaching. A high-capacity magazine ban failed in the state Assembly that year.

    The debate has fallen along familiar lines, with Democrats advocating a crackdown on guns in the name of safety and Republicans saying that tougher gun laws only hinder people intent on following the law.

    "Gun ownership is a constitutional bedrock," said Sen. Ted Gaines, R-El Dorado Hills. "We can't smash the 2nd Amendment into a million pieces and expect America to be as free and strong as it's always been."

    Senators approved 11 gun-related bills in total.

    They include regulations for homemade firearms, background checks for ammunition purchases, a mandate to report lost or stolen guns, a ban on loaning firearms to friends and funding for a gun-violence research center.

    The debate in the Senate comes as Newsom, a Democrat running for governor in 2018, is advocating a November gun control ballot measure incorporating many of the policies the Senate backed Thursday.

    Senate President Pro Tem Kevin de Leon, D-Los Angeles, said he's also concerned that presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump's campaign will drive more right-leaning voters to the polls and imperil the gun-control initiative.

    "I think it's too risky to put a lot of hard work, decades of hard work, before the voters of California. We don't know if it passes or not," de Leon said. "But if we can get it done in the legislative body, the question is, why not do it?"

    De Leon wrote to Newsom last month asking him to hold off on his initiative and allow lawmakers to tackle the problem. Newsom declined.

    The measures go to the state Assembly, where Speaker Anthony Rendon, D-Paramount, and other Democrats have publicly backed some of the policies approved by the Senate. But they could face a roadblock with moderate Democrats who have watered down or halted legislation from the more liberal Senate.

    The initiative isn't going away, said Dan Newman, a campaign strategist working on the campaign. The initiative takes a different approach to tracking ammunition purchases and also requires vendors to report lost or stolen ammunition.

    "It's one of those situations where more is more," Newman said. "The NRA is so powerful, and the gun violence tragedies are so frequent and so horrific, we need to take bold action in every way possible."

    Gun rights advocates blasted the Senate for rushing the legislation to meet a deadline at the end of June for Newsom to withdraw his initiative.

    "It is nothing short of unconscionable that millions of law-abiding Californians are being used as chess pieces in a twisted political game to see who can race to the bottom first," said Craig DeLuz, legislative advocate for the gun rights group Firearms Policy Coalition.
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  2. carbinemike

    carbinemike Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator "Philanthropist"

    They sure seem hell bent and determined to ban guns in California. It seems like we are fighting a cold war for 2A rights with several states such as California being ground zero for the war.

    This says a lot: "It's one of those situations where more is more," Newman said. "The NRA is so powerful, and the gun violence tragedies are so frequent and so horrific, we need to take bold action in every way possible." I guess no one thought to ask him when was the last time the NRA boogeyman has any pull whatsoever in his Peoples Republic? Maybe when Reagan was governor?

    The federal 9th circuit just ruled positively on a 2A case saying the 2a isn't a second class right. Alemeda County passed ordinances limiting where gun shops can open that effectively was an outright ban on LGS's. The 2A apparently also covers the ability to purchase guns.
  3. Bobster

    Bobster .30-06 Supporter

    It goes without saying that Kalifornica members should contact your reps ASAP and let them know the bill(s) is(are) an onerous piece of crap. I know it is hard for many people to take time off and do things like protest, keeping in mind that the opposition often PAYS their protestors and I would be willing to bet many are on welfare--OOPS, I meant "government assistance"... :rolleyes: Propaganda run amok!
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  4. Deog

    Deog .30-06 BANNED

    Going to buy another AR10 next week. Stock up on 80% lowers and ammo.
    They is a ballot to limit how much ammo you can buy as well, and these ballots are hidden in bills like green building and highway transportation safety. Morally wrong and deceitful .

    I will not comply.
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  5. Scoop

    Scoop .30-06


    Even if you are outside of Calipornia this will happen to YOU if Clinton gets in.

    In John's referenced article it reads "Those with a bullet button would have until 2018 to register their gun and those found after that date with such a device installed on an unregistered rifle would be liable to a felony charge and up to a year in prison."

    If you don't believe that registration = confiscation then google SKS SPORTER CALIFORNIA and see how easy it is for them to change their minds and just say, "Oops, we really meant those also -- turn them in."

    If you are a gun owner and you don't vote REPUBLICAN this time around, please explain to me why I would be wrong in calling you an idiot.
    Last edited: May 20, 2016
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  6. Water Monkey

    Water Monkey The man, the myth, the monkey Moderator Supporter

    It's not about confiscation if you watch it carefully. They'll just legislate it away so that IF you're caught with it you will be hammered in court. Nobody is going door to door when this is an easier way to deal with things. And when you die your family will turn in your firearms/mags without much of a fight.

    Shit - NY has a tattle tale provision where you get $500 for turning in someone with an assault rifle.

    interesting times, my friends.
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  7. John A.

    John A. I'm "THAT" guy Staff Member Administrator Global Moderator

    Please ready my sig line.

    Elect people who are ignorant of firearms, and you'll get ignorant firearm laws.

    Prime example below.

    Dumbass doesn't know that a bullet button requires the use of a tool or object to exchange a magazine, thus slowing down the rate of fire that can be done, but yet, here is one who is on the floor stating it makes a gun automatic and fire faster.

    And another of my all time favorite congressional videos

    Some people may laugh at the stupidity of these videos, but these are the people who are responsible for making laws and ensuring that our country is running properly and that we are protected adequately.

    Really, this is no joking matter, yet people elect idiots.
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  8. VN Vet

    VN Vet .22LR

    How much dope is smoked by these Legislative People and the people who elect them? Insert a pin to make a gun fully automatic and too many people will make an island tip over. Pure ignorance.
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  9. Deog

    Deog .30-06 BANNED

    How could I have never seen the Guam capsize video ? Wow, just wow.
    obviously we need to have better responsibility when giving birth.
  10. CaddmannQ

    CaddmannQ 12g Supporter

    We elect these nincompoops and then people worry that maybe Trump isn't smart enough to be president.

    Neither one of these guys can even speak english.

    WTH did they go to school?
  11. CaddmannQ

    CaddmannQ 12g Supporter

    I just love the Admiral's response to Guam capsizing, as he smiles and tries not to laugh.

    "We don't anticipate that." (snicker snicker...)
  12. Deog

    Deog .30-06 BANNED

    capsizing is one of the most unbelievable things I have ever heard a politician say.
  13. CaddmannQ

    CaddmannQ 12g Supporter

    Wouldn't you just love to get a tape recorder and interview that guy?

    Oh my God, The things you could probably get him to say!

  14. Deog

    Deog .30-06 BANNED

    And he holds a public office. How about the people that got him elected. I'm staying out of that community.
  15. Deog

    Deog .30-06 BANNED

    Maybe he was drunk. Because none is that stupid.
  16. CaddmannQ

    CaddmannQ 12g Supporter

    At first I thought he was just dicking with the admiral.
    And he seems rather strung out in the video.
    Maybe this was his intoxicated idea of a joke.

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