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Home Defense or Murder?

carbinemike

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The home owner definitely did things differently in this one by waiting in the basement and killing one burglar followed a bit later with killing the second one. He also waited a day to call police and had audio of the event which played against him in court. He also said things on tape that would not bode well with a jury. Obviously the things he did set up the DA with premeditation. It makes me wonder if he had not made the audio recording and had called the police right away if he even would have been charged with anything.

LITTLE FALLS, Minn. – A Minnesota homeowner who shot and killed two teenagers during a break-in was convicted Tuesday of premeditated murder.
Bryon Smith had claimed he was simply defending himself during the break-in at his home in the small city of Little Falls on Thanksgiving Day 2012. Smith's attorney said the 65-year-old was fearful after previous burglaries.
But prosecutors argued that Smith waited in his basement and intended to kill the teens. A total of nine shots were fired at 17-year-old Nick Brady and 18-year-old Haile Kifer.
Jurors began deliberating Tuesday morning and within three hours had a verdict: Guilty on two counts each of first-degree and second-degree murder. Mothers of the teens cried as the verdicts were read, while Smith showed no emotion. Defense attorney Steve Meshbesher said he would appeal.
The teens' killings stirred debate around the state and in Little Falls -- a Mississippi River city of 8,000 about 100 miles northwest of Minneapolis -- about how far a homeowner can go in responding to a threat. Minnesota law allows deadly force to prevent a felony from taking place in one's home or dwelling, but one's actions must be considered reasonable under the circumstances.
Prosecutors said Smith's plan was set in motion on the morning of the killings, after Smith saw a neighbor whom he believed responsible for prior burglaries drive by. Prosecutors say Smith moved his truck to make it look like no one was home, and then settled into a chair in his basement with a book, energy bars, a bottle of water and two guns.
Smith also set up a hand-held recorder on a bookshelf, which captured audio of the shootings -- key evidence in the prosecution's case. Smith had also installed a surveillance system that recorded images of Brady trying to enter the house.
The audio, which was played several times in court, captured the sound of glass shattering, then the sounds of Smith shooting Brady three times as he descended the basement stairs. Smith can be heard saying, "You're dead." Prosecutors said Smith put Brady's body on a tarp and dragged him into another room, then sat down, reloaded his weapon and waited.
About 10 minutes later, Kifer came downstairs. More shots are heard on the recording, then Kifer's screams, with Smith saying, "You're dying." It's followed soon after by another shot, which investigators said Smith described as "a good, clean finishing shot."
The teens were unarmed, but Smith's attorneys had said he feared they had a weapon.
The tape continued to run, and Smith was heard referring to the teens as "vermin." Smith waited a full day before asking a neighbor to call police.
Smith did not testify on his own behalf. Meshbesher highlighted previous burglaries on Smith's property, including one on Oct. 27 that included the theft of weapons. A neighbor testified that Smith came to his door after that burglary and appeared very frightened. Meshbesher said Smith wrote a memo to the Morrison County Sheriff's Office on Oct. 29 asking them to investigate.
Meshbesher said in his closing arguments that the teens would still be alive if they hadn't broken into Smith's house. He also said Smith had a legal right to use deadly force to defend himself.
Before retiring from the U.S. State Department, Smith worked on technical security issues for American embassies, such as building layout and alarms.
Kifer was a senior who was active in athletics at Little Falls High School. Brady was a student and a wrestler at that school before transferring to nearby Pillager High School, where he was a junior. They were cousins.
Court documents that were not allowed as evidence showed Brady had broken into Smith's house and garage before. Brady and Kifer were also linked to another burglary the day before they were killed; stolen prescription drugs were found in the car they were driving.
Judge Douglas Anderson excluded evidence about the teens' histories from the trial as irrelevant
 
I would have done my preliminary part and handcuffed him and brought him to jail for further charges by the District Attorney. The two year old case which is just now comng into the light suggests that he is guilty as hell.

It's not a Castle Doctrine case by a long shot.

I think the decedents were probably guilty of prior burglaries plus burglarizing him that day, but he overstepped the legal definition of self-defense from imminent threat of violence or serious bodily harm. And his own recording will support that.

And the shooter has a career history of training armed tactical response since he retired from some federal security position he held. Makes his case look pretty weak based on a "reasonable person" position.
 
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Prosecutors said Smith's plan was set in motion on the morning of the killings, after Smith saw a neighbor whom he believed responsible for prior burglaries drive by. Prosecutors say Smith moved his truck to make it look like no one was home, and then settled into a chair in his basement with a book, energy bars, a bottle of water and two guns.
Smith also set up a hand-held recorder on a bookshelf, which captured audio of the shootings, and had installed a surveillance system that recorded images of Brady trying to enter the house.
The audio, which was played several times in court, captured the sound of glass shattering, Brady descending the basement stairs and Smith shooting Brady three times. Smith can be heard saying, "You're dead." Prosecutors said Smith put Brady's body on a tarp and dragged him into another room, then sat down, reloaded his weapon and waited.
About 10 minutes later, Kifer came downstairs. More shots are heard on the recording, then Kifer's screams, with Smith saying, "You're dying." It's followed soon after by another gunshot, which investigators said Smith described as "a good, clean finishing shot."
The teens were unarmed, but Smith's attorneys had said he feared they had a weapon.
The tape continued to run, and Smith was heard referring to the teens as "vermin." Smith waited a full day before asking a neighbor to call police.
 
I think he over stepped the law. Not only did he over step it, he took a running go and a big flying leap.

I too think he's guilty of premeditated murder.

I also believe they had no business breaking into his house, stealing his stuff (probably multiple times) for whatever reason (probably drugs and gang activity) and the guy got tired of it. I can't really say I blame him for being mad about it either. Anyone would be.

It's apparent that the police never solved the previous burglaries, and if the burglars had been in (or through) the judicial system, is apparent they were not reformed due to them continuing their thieving ways and they won a darwin award for their efforts.

I think it's unfortunate for everyone involved, but they all were wrong and it's going to cost 3 lives because the burglars either didn't have a decent raising, or they chose to ignore it.

The guy was wrong for shooting them if they were not brandishing a weapon or were not moving toward him when told to stop and get down on the ground with their hands outstretched, but had they chose to not break the law by breaking into his house (again) to steal stuff, they'd probably be here today.
 
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If the facts are as they have been presented by the press... Guilty. As. Hell.
 
This is not a case of self defense. I've been "watching" this case and he is someone who was fed up with the crap going on and made it easy for the "vermin" to walk in. It was a setup, the teens were not armed and for them it was a one-way trip in. Part of me feels nothing for the two who were looking for an easy target. Part of me thinks they didn't stand a chance and paid the ultimate price for something stupid.

But that being said, you know what? The other morons who go about their lives causing issues for others will not think twice about this. They will see an easy target and go after it anyway. There will be more of this until the authorities start making examples of low level criminals, which won't happen because now we are releasing felons at a record rate.
 
I don't think it's so much the authorities "allowing it", as much as I think it's the judicial system that is failing.

Prisoners have too many rights, are catered to and pampered too much, get room, board, medical, heat, air conditioning, cable tv, education, religion, and addiction services if they want it.

Most don't serve full sentences and are released early, get put back in jail again and it's just a revolving door.

Make prison as unpleasant and hard as possible, and fewer people would ever want to go back. Which means quite simply, more people would follow the rules when they were out.

My Grandmother often talked about watching a public hanging in my town at the courthouse when she was a little girl. She lived to the age of 87 and she never forgot it.

Maybe that's what we need is some tough love.

If nothing else, would reduce a lot of different public defender and prison yearly budgets.
 
Bring back the gallows? Why don't we make executions a pay-per-view event?

Fact is, castle doctrine works because the assumption is made, and supported, that there is no time to react. He had time to lay in wait, get some chow, set up recorders, etc. He had time to do something different that could've stopped them and not ended their lives.

I support castle doctrine and I support prosecuting those who abuse the law.
 
I have a few correction officers as friends they all say there is three things you can count on in jail all the TV you can watch all the food you could eat and all the "girlfriends" you can handle


I read this and see he almost knew they would be kids why not bean bag rounds or something of that nature would have probably sent the message next shells could have been live ammo just in case because they did indeed set a trap with intent of shooting at them


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I can understand his frustration, but just based on what I'm reading here, it seems pretty well planned.

In a HD situation most people don't have the presence of mind to immediately wrap the body in a tarp and wait to see of anyone else is going to enter. They probably don't say "your dead" either.

On the flip side, the kids were breaking the law, they're odds of someone shooting them at some point were pretty high.....play stupid games win stupid prizes.
 
Bring back the gallows? Why don't we make executions a pay-per-view event?

Fact is, castle doctrine works because the assumption is made, and supported, that there is no time to react. He had time to lay in wait, get some chow, set up recorders, etc. He had time to do something different that could've stopped them and not ended their lives.

I support castle doctrine and I support prosecuting those who abuse the law.

Too much like today's tv shows...everyone is conditioned to it. I missed an execution when in Saudi Arabia (had to work) after the Gulf War . The rest of my team went to Hofuf for a shopping trip . All were in uniform. The shops were closed and everyone was ushered to the center of town. There was to be an execution via the curved sword. Ask any of them to this day what they thought of that. The one executed was done so because he killed his roommate. After the execution everyone was paraded by the headless body to instill a sense of right and wrong...and the consequences...I wasn't there but can still hear the emotion to this day. Sometimes an "eye for an eye" is the only way to get thru to people...
 
I'm not convinced an eye for an eye is a good idea, but I do think there are way too many considerations for death row prisoners. Fast track their appeals and when it's time to go. It's time to go.

I also believe a .45 is cheap alternative and people won't question where the round came from. Not to mention bullet manufacturers operate with the assumption their product will be used to kill. And if it fails to work properly, there's the doubletap.
 
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