Smashing Pumpkins
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Hi! This is my first post here, but I have been shooting Mossbergs for years. Sorry to hit you with such a crazy, and involved, first post.
Like lots of people, I love the look of the Shockwave and want one. However, this is not possible in my state due to state laws which define it as a short barrel shotgun, which are prohibited even if you get the NFA $200 tax stamp. However, an "Any Other Weapon" with the tax stamp is specifically carved out from the state law prohibiting SBS. So I can have a Shockwave by (i) importing a PGO weapon with at least an 18" barrel; (ii) getting the NFA $200 tax stamp and complying with NFA requirements about marking receiver, etc.; and (iii) shortening the PGO weapon to below 26". Crazy, right? Can't have the stock 26"+ Shockwave, but I can have one less than 26". But please, I want to keep this thread focused on the gunsmithing and technical specs, so trust me on my state laws and let's don't get sidetracked.
My preference is to do this with minimal gunsmithing, and minimal expense. The expense is going to be astronomical compared to those in states where Shockwaves are legal, but I want to hold it down as much as possible. So I have come up with the following method. Order a stock Shockwave through a "middleman FFL" located in another state (I have located one who will do this). Middleman takes off 14" barrel, replaces it with 18.5" barrel, holds on to 14" barrel, and ships firearm to FFL in my state. I pick up firearm and start the NFA process. Once tax stamp is approved and receiver engraved, etc., middleman ships 14" barrel to me. I then "manufacture" the AOW by swapping out barrels. (I will need to do something else to get OAL below 26." Simplest method initially will be to put a standard "cruiser" type pistol grip on before I put the 14" barrel on it). Voila! I'm legal. Those pumpkins had better watch out, I'm coming for them!
I need to send a barrel at least 18 inches long to my middleman to make this work. I would like to use an 18.5" barrel from a Mossberg 500 I already own, but I'm pretty sure this won't work. The way the barrel attaches to the mag tube is different. I need the firearm to be functioning when imported into my state, although I have no intention of firing it in this configuration, so the barrel needs to attach properly to the mag tube. So I think I need to buy a 590 18" barrel or some other barrel. I can always sell it later and recoup most of the cost. The distance from the chamber end of the barrel to the back of the lug connecting the mag tube is about 14.75" on my 500 barrel. But it can't be that much on a Shockwave barrel since that barrel is only 14" overall.
Questions.
1. Can someone please measure this distance (chamber end to inside of connecting lug) on their Shockwave barrel and tell me how long it is?
2. Does anyone know if there is ANY 590 barrel that is at least 18" long that has a lug to attach the magazine at the same place as the Shockwave barrel? Maybe a three of four shot model?
Thanks for any inputs!
Like lots of people, I love the look of the Shockwave and want one. However, this is not possible in my state due to state laws which define it as a short barrel shotgun, which are prohibited even if you get the NFA $200 tax stamp. However, an "Any Other Weapon" with the tax stamp is specifically carved out from the state law prohibiting SBS. So I can have a Shockwave by (i) importing a PGO weapon with at least an 18" barrel; (ii) getting the NFA $200 tax stamp and complying with NFA requirements about marking receiver, etc.; and (iii) shortening the PGO weapon to below 26". Crazy, right? Can't have the stock 26"+ Shockwave, but I can have one less than 26". But please, I want to keep this thread focused on the gunsmithing and technical specs, so trust me on my state laws and let's don't get sidetracked.
My preference is to do this with minimal gunsmithing, and minimal expense. The expense is going to be astronomical compared to those in states where Shockwaves are legal, but I want to hold it down as much as possible. So I have come up with the following method. Order a stock Shockwave through a "middleman FFL" located in another state (I have located one who will do this). Middleman takes off 14" barrel, replaces it with 18.5" barrel, holds on to 14" barrel, and ships firearm to FFL in my state. I pick up firearm and start the NFA process. Once tax stamp is approved and receiver engraved, etc., middleman ships 14" barrel to me. I then "manufacture" the AOW by swapping out barrels. (I will need to do something else to get OAL below 26." Simplest method initially will be to put a standard "cruiser" type pistol grip on before I put the 14" barrel on it). Voila! I'm legal. Those pumpkins had better watch out, I'm coming for them!
I need to send a barrel at least 18 inches long to my middleman to make this work. I would like to use an 18.5" barrel from a Mossberg 500 I already own, but I'm pretty sure this won't work. The way the barrel attaches to the mag tube is different. I need the firearm to be functioning when imported into my state, although I have no intention of firing it in this configuration, so the barrel needs to attach properly to the mag tube. So I think I need to buy a 590 18" barrel or some other barrel. I can always sell it later and recoup most of the cost. The distance from the chamber end of the barrel to the back of the lug connecting the mag tube is about 14.75" on my 500 barrel. But it can't be that much on a Shockwave barrel since that barrel is only 14" overall.
Questions.
1. Can someone please measure this distance (chamber end to inside of connecting lug) on their Shockwave barrel and tell me how long it is?
2. Does anyone know if there is ANY 590 barrel that is at least 18" long that has a lug to attach the magazine at the same place as the Shockwave barrel? Maybe a three of four shot model?
Thanks for any inputs!