Synthetic stiffening.

[Misr2]

I got a patriot kryptek stocked 308. I live it out the box. I did add a 6-18x44 vortex a bipod and a comb riser within the first week but that's neither here nor there and I'll post pics. I liked it but after about 3 boxes of ammo by myself I could feel it in my shoulder. That and I wasn't getting great groupings but I assume a lot of that is my fault. The groupings never left a 12x12 Target at 100 yards though.

I wanted it to kick a hair less and hopefully take out some of the flex. Bedding for any other rifle would be the ticket. But it's synthetic and everyone screams getting a wood stock when ever you even mention you have a synthetic stock. I liked the Boyd stocks and for under 200 it's a great choice. But I like my kryptek stock. I don't want to build a new gun it shoots good.

After doing a little looking around I decided that no one has messed with a patriot in the way I wanted so I took it upon myself to do some changes.

I ended up putting two heavy metal rods in the butt and prepping and pouring epoxy into the forend. It stiffened up and I am happy to say after a few boxes I can't tell I shot. It still kicks but just hard enough to feel like a 308 but not hard enough to bruise or be sore.

I know I'm not a pioneer and I know it doesn't look great but it works for me. It's heavy and would probably suck on a hunt but I don't hunt I'm off a bench most of the time. Or prone.

I'll post more pictures and stuff but here's a few to see what y'all think.

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[Daryll]

Some of these fancy stocks are not really thought through.... many years ago I bought a Rem 700 SPS tactical in a Houge stock... lovely rubbery feel to it, but when i mounted a bipod on the front sling stud and stood it on a flat surface, if you put your hand on the comb of the stock and moved it side to side, you could see the barrel moving in the channel...
In normal use it was a free floating barrel, but the stock flexed enough to touch the barrel.

 

[Djcala]

Well title made me think Viagra commercial
Pretty cool work I like when someone puts some effort to make it theyre own to fit the purpose they want
Made it better for ya and kept it affordable too. Cool.

 

[Misr2]

Some of these fancy stocks are not really thought through.... many years ago I bought a Rem 700 SPS tactical in a Houge stock... lovely rubbery feel to it, but when i mounted a bipod on the front sling stud and stood it on a flat surface, if you put your hand on the comb of the stock and moved it side to side, you could see the barrel moving in the channel...
In normal use it was a free floating barrel, but the stock flexed enough to touch the barrel.

Well the stock on mine when I first got it would eaisly touch both sides of the channel when doing that. Now that I've added the epoxy to the forend it still does but I have to really flex it against the bipod to get it to touch.

And I wasn't really going for a Viagra commercial but if it gets you here.... Haha no it was the main thing I was searching before doing this and it always came to a guy looking for advice on this same thing I was looking at and it felt like every time it lead to him buying a new stock.

I'm not against a new stock, my wife would say different, but I wanted to tinker with my gun to make it mine and didn't want to tell the wife I was spending another 200 on this gun I just got..

So I took a few hours and less than 20 dollars to make the stock heavier for recoil and added epoxy to make it not flex when I put my face on the comb riser.

I don't think I said anything about accuracy in my first post. But to be honest it didn't change the guns accuracy it just made it easier for me to become more accurate with it if that makes sense. I haven't done anything to the recoil lug but I'm thinking about bedding that a little to see if it tightens it any.

I went from 4in groups and with the two boxes I put through it since I've been getting around 2in groups and smaller at 100yards. No bugholes and still the flyers but when I fix myself enough to be consistent it seems the shots are closer.

TL;DR ... Cheap easy way to make my gun kick a little less and tighten up groupings. And help others who might wanna do this to theirs.

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[CaddmannQ]

On my target rifle with synthetic stock, the first thing I did was fill the hollow buttstock with sand and lead shot to make the rifle heavier & more stable. But after epoxy filling and reinforcement, the forestock is not suitable because it still flexes too easily.

Having put a Boyd's stock on my Mossberg 500 I can easily say it is far superior to any plastic stock I have shot so far.

 

[Misr2]

On my target rifle with synthetic stock, the first thing I did was fill the hollow buttstock with sand and lead shot to make the rifle heavier & more stable. But after epoxy filling and reinforcement, the forestock is not suitable because it still flexes too easily.

Having put a Boyd's stock on my Mossberg 500 I can easily say it is far superior to any plastic stock I have shot so far.

Yeah I agree a Boyd will be better but what I've done is cheap easy and better than where I started. I don't think I could have bought a better stock for 20 dollars... Lol. I still have the option of a new stock so no harm no foul filling this thing in. Worst case scenario I have to buy a Boyd sooner, best case it feels better and shoots better..

I didn't want to fill my buttstock with sand so I put some heavy steel pieces in it. I blacksmith on the side so I had some lying around.

My forend still flexes too but I think if I bed the recoil lug a little and fill in the gap I made it will take even more flex out. I left that because I didn't want to glue my stock to my action on accident and honestly as a crumple zone.. I was worried too solid would make it fracture itself catastrophically.

Thanks for your input.

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[dieselmudder]

Looks like the stock took the bedding material well. I tried a similar process even including an aluminum stiffening rod, in an older Savage stock. They were notoriously flimsy. It helped the forend, unfortunately the magwell area became the flimsy spot, and not a good way to add any material to that area. Nice work on yours.

 

[Misr2]

Looks like the stock took the bedding material well. I tried a similar process even including an aluminum stiffening rod, in an older Savage stock. They were notoriously flimsy. It helped the forend, unfortunately the magwell area became the flimsy spot, and not a good way to add any material to that area. Nice work on yours.

I like how you called my jbweld "bedding material". It makes me feel like I did something not half-assed. Haha. Yeah I think the gap I left around the recoil lug is my flex point now. I'm thinking about bedding the lug and the large gap under the back. (In the pic you can see how it's just an air gap under the back of the action and it barely chipping the edge...)

I'm not going for a 1000 yard gun but a good gun at 500 maybe.. and thanks by the way.

 

[Misr2]

Update!

So I took it out today finally a quiet day with just me and my patriot. I put two boxes through it and I can say that I pulled a few and I pushed a few... Trigger control and cheek placement and hand position and all that but for the few that I managed to get myself under control looked great.

The picture is the grouping at 100 yards and the first three are the bug hole the other two were me pulling the grip funny and having a bad sight picture. Hell even call them flyers but that's a 2 inch bullseye so my scope could go down and right a bit but that's the best group I've made with this thing hands down.

Those three stacked almost in the same hole are all I needed to know that I didn't do something wrong haha. And the stuff on there is from my shooting app. Tells me scope adjustments and group sizes. (The three stacked is .26 moa and the 5 are 2.39 moa which is still good...)

So moral of the story. If anyone thinks buying a new stock is the only answer, think again. With some work and about 20 bucks you can work with a synthetic stock. Hope y'all like the project and results. Any questions feel free to ask me.

Now I just need to get my form better... Less "flyers"...

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[chris kendziora]

Its a $400.00 deer gun if it holds a 2" group at 100'.... my 6.5 has shot some 1/2" groups with handloads... its not a $800.00 Begara..

 

[John A.]

Good job bedding the stock. I did similar on a little savage 22 stock. Stock flex was always a complaint about them when you look around.

I ended up using 80 grit sandpaper and going along the top where the barrel would normally rest so it would freefloat the barrel when I got done

And I also put in a 1/4" aluminum rod the entire length forward of the receiver and also used epoxy to fill the voids. I drilled a hole in the front so I could slide the rod in place and also gave me more surface area to use the epoxy to make sure it's seated in there well and not going to come out real easy. I don't think I'd use it as a car ramp to change my oil with, but it's definitely more sturdy than it was before.

Thanks for getting me started down this rabbit hole.

Here is where I dremeled away some of the ribs so the rod wouldn't interfere with the bottom of the barrel and would sit lower in the stock.

This was before the epoxy.