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Syria - Message being sent

GunnyGene said:
OhioArcher said:
The B-2's would launch from Whiteman AFB in MO. For all we know they are already in the air.

I would expect that there are spotters watching the runways at Whiteman also. Besides, I'm pretty sure that Russia has real time satellite surveillance of Whiteman that's a good deal better than Google Earth ( with which I can easily identify much smaller planes than a B-2). Trust me, you and I may not know when the B-2's take off, but you can bet your bottom dollar the Russians and others will.


Yup, you are right. They know when the launch and when they return. But if enough are launched and rotated correctly several could be over Syria without any advance notice. It's already been done...even our guys were surprised to find out B-2's were over SWA...
 
OhioArcher said:
GunnyGene said:
OhioArcher said:
The B-2's would launch from Whiteman AFB in MO. For all we know they are already in the air.

I would expect that there are spotters watching the runways at Whiteman also. Besides, I'm pretty sure that Russia has real time satellite surveillance of Whiteman that's a good deal better than Google Earth ( with which I can easily identify much smaller planes than a B-2). Trust me, you and I may not know when the B-2's take off, but you can bet your bottom dollar the Russians and others will.


Yup, you are right. They know when the launch and when they return. But if enough are launched and rotated correctly several could be over Syria without any advance notice. It's already been done...even our guys were surprised to find out B-2's were over SWA...

Actually, I'd be very surprised if all our B-2's just sat around at Whiteman waiting for a mission. Reminds me of when I was stationed on Okinawa in '72 and the AF said there were only 3 SR-71's in existence and one of them belonged to NASA (article in Time mag iirc). I thought it was funny as hell, since I knew for a fact there were 6 stationed on Okinawa that flew regular missions over China. We could watch one or two take off almost every night. :lol:
 
Don't forget that there's at least one US nuclear submarine in the area. At anytime it may have up to 22 nuclear/non-nuclear warheads on board.

I would suspect in this situation we have 2-one in the Mediteranian Sea and one in the Arabic sea, but that's just my suspicion.
 
Shotgun Jeremy said:
Don't forget that there's at least one US nuclear submarine in the area. At anytime it may have up to 22 nuclear/non-nuclear warheads on board.

I would suspect in this situation we have 2-one in the Mediteranian Sea and one in the Arabic sea, but that's just my suspicion.

I would hope we don't even dare threaten to use those. That would blow things out of proportion and take our already strained relations with Russia and set them on fire! I understand it is a military tactic and strategic move to have them in place.. but I would hope that remains a "military secret" and that they don't say..

"We have Nuclear Capabilities in place, off shore, ready to respond." or some such saying...
 
Rick, I think I notice a sense of desperation in your posts... one that I share. It's easy to stay naive up here on my island... far away from people... but I'm afraid for the repercussions an all out war with Syria will create. As we've stated... Russia isn't exactly very keen of America right now, and has been supplying arms and munitions to Syria for quite some time. They may not get directly involved, but lets not make the mistake of thinking they're not involved.

Our country is in shambles right now; divided it seems down the middle be socialist agendas and traditional values. Our economy is suffering regardless of media reports, our Gov't doesn't trust us... and we don't trust it. I'm afraid we aren't the organized superpower we used to be, and a all out war over there will have it's toll on America. Not the bureaucratic shitheads on capitol hill... but the young men and women having to fight the battles, and the mothers and fathers receiving the folded flags.

-AK
 
I read a book about 20 years on our nuclear weapons and we threatened to use them more than you'd ever know. They were threatened over both Korea and Vietnam. It was a strategy called Escalation Dominance. Basically we'd start low on the ladder and threaten things like trade. If they didn't knuckle under it went up the ladder to the threat of conventional war. Our mite eventually got most to give in. The last rung on the ladder was nukes. We had an advantage here and we played it a lot. Hopefully it won't get that far in Syria.
 
Report from WSJ. Makes me wonder if the Tomahawks will be loaded with paintballs.

An American military attack on Syria could begin as early as Thursday and will involve three days of missile strikes, according to "senior U.S. officials" talking to NBC News. The Washington Post has the bombing at "no more than two days," though long-range bombers could "possibly" join the missiles. "Factors weighing into the timing of any action include a desire to get it done before the president leaves for Russia next week," reports CNN, citing a "senior administration official."

The New York Times, quoting a Pentagon official, adds that "the initial target list has fewer than 50 sites, including air bases where Syria's Russian-made attack helicopters are deployed." The Times adds that "like several other military officials contacted for this report, the official agreed to discuss planning options only on condition of anonymity."

Thus do the legal and moral requirements of secret military operations lose out in this Administration to the imperatives of in-the-know spin and political gestures.

t's always possible that all of this leaking about when, how and for how long the U.S. will attack Syria is an elaborate head-fake, like Patton's ghost army on the eve of D-Day, poised for the assault on Calais. But based on this Administration's past behavior, such as the leaked bin Laden raid details, chances are most of this really is the war plan.

Which makes us wonder why the Administration even bothers to pursue the likes of Edward Snowden when it is giving away its plan of attack to anyone in Damascus with an Internet connection. The answer, it seems, is that the attack in Syria isn't really about damaging the Bashar Assad regime's capacity to murder its own people, much less about ending the Assad regime for good.

"I want to make clear that the options that we are considering are not about regime change," White House spokesman Jay Carney said Tuesday. Translation: We're not coming for you, Bashar, so don't worry. And by the way, you might want to fly those attack choppers off base, at least until next week.

So what is the purpose of a U.S. attack? Mr. Carney elaborated that it's "about responding to [a] clear violation of an international standard that prohibits the use of chemical weapons." He added that the U.S. had a national security interest that Assad's use of chemical weapons "not go unanswered." This is another way of saying that the attacks are primarily about making a political statement, and vindicating President Obama's ill-considered promise of "consequences," rather than materially degrading Assad's ability to continue to wage war against his own people.

It should go without saying that the principal purpose of a military strike is to have a military effect. Political statements can always be delivered politically, and U.S. airmen should not be put in harm's way to deliver what amounts to an extremely loud diplomatic demarche. That's especially so with a "do something" strike that is, in fact, deliberately calibrated to do very little.

We wrote Tuesday that there is likely to be no good outcome in Syria until Assad and his regime are gone. Military strikes that advance that goal—either by targeting Assad directly or crippling his army's ability to fight—deserve the support of the American people and our international partners. That's not what this Administration seems to have in mind.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... on_LEADTop
 
Does someone find it odd that the media has such detailed knowledge of our military plans? Is this their speculation or strategically placed propaganda?
 
aksavanaman said:
Does someone find it odd that the media has such detailed knowledge of our military plans? Is this their speculation or strategically placed propaganda?

Don't know about that, but everyone is wondering just what the hell the objective is. So far it seems the objective is to drive up the cost of oil. It's up over $10/bbl in the last month. Over $110/bbl today, and will likely go up another few dollars by this time next week. If anything serious happens it could go up a great deal more than that, with all the usual economic fallout that implies.
 
GunnyGene said:
aksavanaman said:
Does someone find it odd that the media has such detailed knowledge of our military plans? Is this their speculation or strategically placed propaganda?

Don't know about that, but everyone is wondering just what the hell the objective is. So far it seems the objective is to drive up the cost of oil. It's up over $10/bbl in the last month. Over $110/bbl today, and will likely go up another few dollars by this time next week. If anything serious happens it could go up a great deal more than that, with all the usual economic fallout that implies.

I already pay $4.50 up here (don't get me started on the irony on that) Guess I'm riding my bike to work... "Hey Chief... I'm gonna be an hour late... my Comander in Chief along with the rest of the Politcal leaders and Oil companies are _______tards, so I'm riding my bike"
 
aksavanaman said:
GunnyGene said:
aksavanaman said:
Does someone find it odd that the media has such detailed knowledge of our military plans? Is this their speculation or strategically placed propaganda?

Don't know about that, but everyone is wondering just what the hell the objective is. So far it seems the objective is to drive up the cost of oil. It's up over $10/bbl in the last month. Over $110/bbl today, and will likely go up another few dollars by this time next week. If anything serious happens it could go up a great deal more than that, with all the usual economic fallout that implies.

I already pay $4.50 up here (don't get me started on the irony on that) Guess I'm riding my bike to work... "Hey Chief... I'm gonna be an hour late... my Comander in Chief along with the rest of the Politcal leaders and Oil companies are _______tards, so I'm riding my bike"


Gas has been around $3.25 here for several weeks. But the cost of filling up your car is really only a small part of it. Oil is in everything, so when the price of a barrel goes up so does literally everything else, and your dollar doesn't go as far. A lot of people forget that.
 
Oh I know... believe me. Most people here heat their houses with Diesel... groceries are barged/shipped up from the lower 48... electricity is generated by diesel generators. I'm certainly aware that oil still makes everything run, which is why I try to supliment my grocery bill by catching as much fish as I can and have the wife and kids pick berries and other edibles from around the Island.
 
aksavanaman said:
Oh I know... believe me. Most people here heat their houses with Diesel... groceries are barged/shipped up from the lower 48... electricity is generated by diesel generators. I'm certainly aware that oil still makes everything run, which is why I try to supliment my grocery bill by catching as much fish as I can and have the wife and kids pick berries and other edibles from around the Island.

I know you do. I was referring to the "low information voters". ;) :D

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Game on?

The State Department made clear Wednesday that the Obama administration plans to bypass the United Nations Security Council as it prepares for a possible strike on Syria, after having failed to win support from Russia.

In blunt terms, department spokeswoman Marie Harf said last-ditch efforts to win support for an anti-Assad resolution at the U.N. were unsuccessful, and the U.S. would proceed anyway.

"We see no avenue forward given continued Russian opposition to any meaningful council action on Syria," she said. "Therefore, the United States will continue its consultations and will take appropriate actions to respond in the days ahead."

Earlier in the day, the U.S. and its allies tried to advance a resolution from Great Britain condemning the alleged chemical attack last week in Syria, and authorizing "necessary measures to protect civilians." The Russian delegation, traditional supporters of the Assad government, immediately complained about the resolution during the discussions at U.N. headquarters in New York.

Harf said the U.N. Security Council would not be proceeding with a vote.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08 ... z2dIbfmx2M
 
So he's gonna do the same thing that everyone bitched about Bush doing?

I'm ok with bypassing the UN but at least get congressional approval.
 
Shotgun Jeremy said:
So he's gonna do the same thing that everyone bitched about Bush doing?

I'm ok with bypassing the UN but at least get congressional approval.

He doesn't need that either and probably wouldn't get it. Yeah, I agree with the Bush analogy. Biden himself condemned it but now it is "different". How? they are all a bunch of two-faced con artists. All should be smitten with a studded leather glove...
 
Shotgun Jeremy said:
So he's gonna do the same thing that everyone bitched about Bush doing?

I'm ok with bypassing the UN but at least get congressional approval.

Obama is 'special'. Just ask this woman:
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Hey, y'all I've figured out what Obama's Syria strategy is. He took Joe Bidens advise about going out on the porch and firing 2 blasts from a double barrel shotgun. :lol:


“If we are saying in a clear and decisive but very limited way, we send a shot across the bow saying, ‘stop doing this,’ that can have a positive impact on our national security over the long term,” Obama said.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08 ... z2dJh0dy1j
 
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