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The UN Small Arms Treaty

"...1) Treaties do not override the U.S. Constitution.

2) Treaties cannot amend the Constitution. And last, ..."

And then, as we've recently seen with a recent case, we have to hope the court sees a particular item as unconstitutional on it's face. Take care. Tom Worthington.
 
Well, if Iran is in on the group, I guess we can all expect low cost, full auto AK-47's to be legalized. Where do I sign up for that?
 
Although Iran does have a lot of ties (weapon wise) to Communist countries, Iran also has a large number of Colt M16's, MP5's and other, "modernized" weapons.

At one time not that long ago, Colt Military site had a list of countries that they had sold M16's to, and Iran was on the list. As well as a number of other middle eastern countries. UAE, etc.

http://www.colt.com/ColtMilitary/Customers.aspx

Abu Dhabi
Africa
Argentina
Aruba
Austria
Bahamas
Bahrain
Barbados
Belgium
Bermuda
Bhutan
Bolivia
Botswana
Brazil
Brunel Darussalam
Cameroon
Canada
Chile
Columbia
Costa Rica
Curacao
Denmark
Dominican Republic
East Timor
Ecuador
Egypt
FijiFinland
France
Gabon
Germany
Ghana
Grand Cayman
Greece
Guatemala
Haiti
Honduras
Hong Kong
India
Indonesia
Iran
Ireland
Israel
Italy
Ivory Coast
Jamaica
Jordan
Kenya
Kuwait
Lesotho
Liberia
Luxembourg
Malaysia
Maldives
Mexico
Monaco
Morocco
Nepal
Netherlands
New Zealand
Nicaragua
Nigeria
North Yemen
Norway
Oman
Panama
Papua New Guinea
Paraguay
Peru
Philippines
Portugal
Puerto Rico
Santo Domingo
Saudi Arabia
Singapore
South Korea
Spain
Sri Lanka
Suriname
Swaziland
Sweden
Switzerland
Taiwan
Thailand
Tonga
Trinidad
Tunisia
Turkey
U.A.E.
United Kingdom
U.S.A.
Venezuela
Virgin Islands
Yugoslavia
Zimbabwe
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carbinemike said:
Well, if Iran is in on the group, I guess we can all expect low cost, full auto AK-47's to be legalized. Where do I sign up for that?
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Yeah, I'm not seeing that. Be more their style to ratify the treaty knowing full well that they would never pay it any attention, but that we would. :( Take care. Tom Worthington.
 
I wondered about that after I posted about the AK's. I'd would really prefer the full auto M-16.

Tom396, I was being sarcastic with that earlier post. I think we all know that that the small arms treaty is bogus and having Iran in on it just takes away all the more credibility...if it had any in the first place.

I have no doubt they will come up some treaty that free thinking Americans find objectionable. Time will tell how Obama tries to get it "approved" and/or go around the Senate.
 
I posted this in another thread but it has weight here too;

Rossignol said:
I feel if its bein claimed, then some similar technology is out there somewhere and bein tested.

Creeping socialism/fascism.

This should about sum it up.

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Hold it up to what we know to be happening and see if you too can spot the similarities. Sure, on its face it doesnt sound bad the way its presented by politicians and media. They dont call it fascism. Read the book Philip Drew Administrator. See if any of that sounds familiar too. Especially when "some" say the wealthy among us should pay higher taxes, "like me". The "me" in that statement would be the administrator. Thats one lone example. I'm sure more can cited from documented speeches...

Sorry if this doesnt belong specifically in this thread. It can probably be applied to several of the threads here. This one just kind of struck a chord in me this morning after so many others that deal with the loss of privacy. It seems there is no expectation of privacy. Anytime we are in public we should expect that anything we do is subject to scrutiny by any agency or department. Furthermore, with recent rulings from the supreme court, govt. agencies may be able to dictate our personal lives as well.

Welcome to the USS of A, we're goin to hell in a handbasket and as long as we sit here and say to each other "this cant happen here" it will happen while we sleep because there are a number of folks in office who have admitted to wanting to "fundementally change this country".

We are the shepherds and watchdogs and cant count on "someone else" to be vigilant in our place. I'm glad there are so many posting here in this section with their eyes and ears open and taking initiative to say something. I ask folks all the time where they stand on these things. Most dont know about this stuff and think I'm dreaming up conspiracy theories again. Most often the response I get is "I dont care, I dont pay attention to the news and politics, I dont vote anyway because politicians will be politicians no matter who they are and what they say". Thats not actually a literal quote but paraphrased from several different conversations.

Anyhow, we who pay attention are now the bad guys with our hate speech and what not, rascists as well I'm told, as I've been called such even recently. We are the ones being profiled. The face of the terrorist has changed. No longer does anyone look at the wide eyed guy wearing a turban carrying some sort of box with wires sticking out of it. They look at guys like this now;

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I got responses from both my senators.

First; Senator Portman, Reb.

Senator Portman said:
Dear Jonathan,

Thank you for taking the time to contact me to express your concern about the rights of gun owners and the U.N. Arms Trade Treaty. It is good to hear from you.

The U.N. Arms Trade Treaty threatens one of the basic rights enshrined in America's Bill of Rights, the right of Ohioans and all Americans to keep and bear arms. This is why I, along with 44 U.S. Senators, sent a letter to President Obama and Secretary Clinton stating that a U.N. treaty infringing on the constitutional rights of American gun owners is unacceptable. I oppose the ratification of any treaty that restricts the rights of law-abiding Americans to manufacture, assemble, possess, transfer, or purchase firearms, ammunition and related items.

I am firm supporter of Second Amendment rights. My voting record is one of strong support for the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens to own and operate firearms. Like you, I believe that infringing on the rights of law-abiding citizens does not address the root causes of violence in our society. I will oppose any U.N. Arms Trade Treaty which affects the constitutional rights of American gun owners.

Thank you again for taking the time to contact me. For more information, I encourage you to visit my website at http://www.portman.senate.gov. Please keep in touch.

Sincerely,

Rob Portman
U.S. Senator
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And Senator Brown, Dem.

Senator Brown said:
Dear Mr. Rossignol:

Thank you for getting in touch with me about the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty (ATT).

Since 2006, members of the United Nations have been negotiating a treaty to combat the illicit international trade of arms. The treaty would establish global standards for the import, export, and transfer of conventional weapons — ranging from tanks, fighter jets, small arms, and ammunition — to prevent them from fueling conflicts or falling into the hands of terrorists, warlords, and international crime syndicates.

I have heard from many Ohioans who are concerned that an ATT could infringe upon their Second Amendment rights. The ATT is not intended to devise a global gun ban or deny law-abiding U.S. citizens their right to bear arms. The United States has made it clear throughout negotiations that any potential ATT must respect the sovereign rights of nations to regulate gun sales and ownership within their own borders. The Supreme Court has also ruled that no treaty may supersede the powers set forth by our Constitution or Bill of Rights.

I fully support the Second Amendment right to bear arms and will continue to protect this fundamental right. Should the ATT come before the Senate for ratification, I will be sure to keep your views in mind, and I will not support any treaty that undermines the Second Amendment.

Thank you again for contacting me.

Sincerely,
Sherrod Brown

United States Senator
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Sen. Brown: "within their own borders"
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What about when a treaty threatens our ability to help our allies.

Or better yet, prevent one of our allies from helping us?

:eek:
 
Yeah John, theres that. I'm not as enthusiastic about Brown's resonse where Portman has said that they flatly oppose the treaty.

Additionally, despite Brown's description of the ATT, there is so much more to it than that.
 
I have written Senator Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul (Both my Senators).

I haven't received a reply from either yet, but I have written Senator McConnell long enough, I think I already know what his reply is going to be (pro 2a), and since Rand Paul has co-sponsored a bill to de-fund any sort of US contributions to an Arms Treaty, I expect I know what his reply is going to be as well.

Sadly, I have stayed in contact with Sen. McConnell so many times over the years, I have even gotten hand signed letters from him instead of the usual inkjet treatment LOL
 
Good deal!

I like your senators... I want them to be my senators too, but without havin to move.
 
thank you for that link. I'm going to pass it around.
 
We'll see if Dick Morris is right. He fully expects Hillary Clinton to sign the agreement.
 
In knowing the Clintons' stance of firearm ownership, "I" would be surprised if she didn't sign it.
 
I'm sure if at the end of the day they have a treaty for the member nations to review, Hitlery Clinton will sign it. My hope is that they can't even reach a consensus to sign off on.

In the back of my mind I keep thinking that the lack of Senate support won't matter, BHO will find a way to accomplish his goals without them.
 
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