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carbinemike said:Well, if Iran is in on the group, I guess we can all expect low cost, full auto AK-47's to be legalized. Where do I sign up for that?
Rossignol said:I feel if its bein claimed, then some similar technology is out there somewhere and bein tested.
Creeping socialism/fascism.
This should about sum it up.
Hold it up to what we know to be happening and see if you too can spot the similarities. Sure, on its face it doesnt sound bad the way its presented by politicians and media. They dont call it fascism. Read the book Philip Drew Administrator. See if any of that sounds familiar too. Especially when "some" say the wealthy among us should pay higher taxes, "like me". The "me" in that statement would be the administrator. Thats one lone example. I'm sure more can cited from documented speeches...
Sorry if this doesnt belong specifically in this thread. It can probably be applied to several of the threads here. This one just kind of struck a chord in me this morning after so many others that deal with the loss of privacy. It seems there is no expectation of privacy. Anytime we are in public we should expect that anything we do is subject to scrutiny by any agency or department. Furthermore, with recent rulings from the supreme court, govt. agencies may be able to dictate our personal lives as well.
Welcome to the USS of A, we're goin to hell in a handbasket and as long as we sit here and say to each other "this cant happen here" it will happen while we sleep because there are a number of folks in office who have admitted to wanting to "fundementally change this country".
We are the shepherds and watchdogs and cant count on "someone else" to be vigilant in our place. I'm glad there are so many posting here in this section with their eyes and ears open and taking initiative to say something. I ask folks all the time where they stand on these things. Most dont know about this stuff and think I'm dreaming up conspiracy theories again. Most often the response I get is "I dont care, I dont pay attention to the news and politics, I dont vote anyway because politicians will be politicians no matter who they are and what they say". Thats not actually a literal quote but paraphrased from several different conversations.
Anyhow, we who pay attention are now the bad guys with our hate speech and what not, rascists as well I'm told, as I've been called such even recently. We are the ones being profiled. The face of the terrorist has changed. No longer does anyone look at the wide eyed guy wearing a turban carrying some sort of box with wires sticking out of it. They look at guys like this now;
Senator Portman said:Dear Jonathan,
Thank you for taking the time to contact me to express your concern about the rights of gun owners and the U.N. Arms Trade Treaty. It is good to hear from you.
The U.N. Arms Trade Treaty threatens one of the basic rights enshrined in America's Bill of Rights, the right of Ohioans and all Americans to keep and bear arms. This is why I, along with 44 U.S. Senators, sent a letter to President Obama and Secretary Clinton stating that a U.N. treaty infringing on the constitutional rights of American gun owners is unacceptable. I oppose the ratification of any treaty that restricts the rights of law-abiding Americans to manufacture, assemble, possess, transfer, or purchase firearms, ammunition and related items.
I am firm supporter of Second Amendment rights. My voting record is one of strong support for the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens to own and operate firearms. Like you, I believe that infringing on the rights of law-abiding citizens does not address the root causes of violence in our society. I will oppose any U.N. Arms Trade Treaty which affects the constitutional rights of American gun owners.
Thank you again for taking the time to contact me. For more information, I encourage you to visit my website at http://www.portman.senate.gov. Please keep in touch.
Sincerely,
Rob Portman
U.S. Senator
Senator Brown said:Dear Mr. Rossignol:
Thank you for getting in touch with me about the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty (ATT).
Since 2006, members of the United Nations have been negotiating a treaty to combat the illicit international trade of arms. The treaty would establish global standards for the import, export, and transfer of conventional weapons — ranging from tanks, fighter jets, small arms, and ammunition — to prevent them from fueling conflicts or falling into the hands of terrorists, warlords, and international crime syndicates.
I have heard from many Ohioans who are concerned that an ATT could infringe upon their Second Amendment rights. The ATT is not intended to devise a global gun ban or deny law-abiding U.S. citizens their right to bear arms. The United States has made it clear throughout negotiations that any potential ATT must respect the sovereign rights of nations to regulate gun sales and ownership within their own borders. The Supreme Court has also ruled that no treaty may supersede the powers set forth by our Constitution or Bill of Rights.
I fully support the Second Amendment right to bear arms and will continue to protect this fundamental right. Should the ATT come before the Senate for ratification, I will be sure to keep your views in mind, and I will not support any treaty that undermines the Second Amendment.
Thank you again for contacting me.
Sincerely,
Sherrod Brown
United States Senator
Sen. Brown: "within their own borders"