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Largest Mass Shooting in Canadian History - The renewed gun control battle begins...

meanstreak

.30-06
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Globalists at work. I can hear the words coming out of D.C. already. The Canadian model. It's actually more of a U.N. Wish list.
 

Bobster

.30-06
Although I'm not promoting law-breaking, if you have an unregistered gun, it should stay that way.

If you voted for Biden (or Trudope), you need to turn your guns in now--you don't deserve them...

And only a matter of time before Bidet rejoins the UN Small Arms agreement... :mad:
 

cmcdonald

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It's hard to believe there are still gun owners out there that vote against themselves and every other gun owner, in every election. Amazing. It's sad that politics for many of us, have turned us into 1 or 2 issue voters. Instead of focusing strictly on the betterment of our societies, we are forced to vote based on things that shouldn't even be a question and leaves things like education, health care and the like just hanging in the wind because someone is trying to rob you of your most basic freedoms.

The masses are blind and deceived. The ridiculously fascist talk coming out of the lefties and their mouthpiece the MSM toward conservatives and conservative media is downright scary....

Sad. Evil. Socialist. Fascist.
 

1ABNDT

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It's hard to believe there are still gun owners out there that vote against themselves and every other gun owner, in every election. Amazing. It's sad that politics for many of us, have turned us into 1 or 2 issue voters. Instead of focusing strictly on the betterment of our societies, we are forced to vote based on things that shouldn't even be a question and leaves things like education, health care and the like just hanging in the wind because someone is trying to rob you of your most basic freedoms.

The masses are blind and deceived. The ridiculously fascist talk coming out of the lefties and their mouthpiece the MSM toward conservatives and conservative media is downright scary....

Sad. Evil. Socialist. Fascist.



My apologies for not responding sooner, I was going over the court proceedings from Monday requesting an injunction to allow firearms owner to use their equipment during the court proceedings. I felt it went pretty well, the lawyers and so called "RCMP" (SFSS) experts for the government are schills and the judge was in disagreement with them. She hasn't made a decision on the injunction, we await here decision. Here is an overview from the court proceedings from the CCFR.

Court talk begins at around 16:30 if anyone is interested.


I agree with your above statement cmcd, most firearm owners here in Canada aren't even part of a Firearm rights group. We have 2.2 million licensed firearm owners and probably less than 10% are a member of the 3 FA orgs combined that we have here in Canada, CCFR, NFA, CSSA. I have joined all of them including the NRA as I travel to AZ and enjoy the freedoms and rights in the USA., without them there is no us, and without us there is no them.

We must fight this cancel culture regime, for Trudope to say "Canada has no Culture/Identity is just plain "Blasphemy"
 

1ABNDT

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Because the public has no access to the (RCMP) Firearms Reference Table only if your a "business" which is ludicrous, Imean how are we as firearm owners supposed to know whats banned. It just goes to show the ridiculous gun laws in Canada and how they set you up to be a paper criminal.

Luckily we have some dedicated people in the Firearms Community that are willing to put in work, the one community member created a publicly available FRT which we can see and search what is banned.


Banned Firearms Link

https://www.armalytics.ca/?size=n_5...ilters[0][values][0]=Yes&filters[0][type]=any
 

meanstreak

.30-06
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Although I'm not promoting law-breaking, if you have an unregistered gun, it should stay that way.

If you voted for Biden (or Trudope), you need to turn your guns in now--you don't deserve them...

And only a matter of time before Bidet rejoins the UN Small Arms agreement... :mad:

The U.N. Small arms agreement is one of reasons the left here in the states would like to change the rules in the Senate.
 

1ABNDT

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The U.N. Small arms agreement is one of reasons the left here in the states would like to change the rules in the Senate.



Same here in Canada, and from what I have been reading on the changes to gun control in the USA, it sounds eerily familiar to our FA laws in Canada. (Registration, magazines pinned, No purchases outside of a firearms store,) At least you don't need an "Authorization to Transport" to your gun range, store, show, or gunsmith, and if you forget that piece of paper accompaning license here's a fine and jail time.



https://ipolitics.ca/2019/07/11/gun...er-government-plan-to-join-un-weapons-treaty/

https://www.canada.ca/en/global-aff...nt-of-accession-to-the-arms-trade-treaty.html
 

Scoop

.30-06
My apologies for not responding sooner, I was going over the court proceedings from Monday requesting an injunction to allow firearms owner to use their equipment during the court proceedings.
... Here is an overview from the court proceedings from the CCFR.

Court talk begins at around 16:30 if anyone is interested.

Hey 1A, thank you for posting that video. I am sort of a court fiend so I actually watched all of it. I expected to watch about 5 or 10 mins and ditch the rest because... you know... Canada. Glad I stayed till the end.

I'm still on the pessimistic side for both of our countries' future for comfortable, affordable, legal gun ownership.
 

1ABNDT

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Hey 1A, thank you for posting that video. I am sort of a court fiend so I actually watched all of it. I expected to watch about 5 or 10 mins and ditch the rest because... you know... Canada. Glad I stayed till the end.

I'm still on the pessimistic side for both of our countries' future for comfortable, affordable, legal gun ownership.

To be honest I love America as much as I do Canada, perhaps a little more. I've spent a decade racing motorcycles throughout that beautiful country from coast to coast and would defend it as fiercely as I would Canada, the people have always been kind, generous, and welcoming. I have family in AZ and every time I step off the plane I take a deep breath and relish the smell of "FREEDOM", I have never felt as safe as I do in Arizonas 2A state.

I too hope common sense will prevail in both countries as the last gun grab in Canada ended up costing the tax payer $2 billion instead of the Government estimate of $2 million with no significant benefit in reducing criminal activity with Firearms. That money would of been better spent for housing, education, social programs, funding police and border services.

I will post the judges decision on the injunction when it is available.

Stay safe, God bless.
 
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My apologies for not responding sooner, I was going over the court proceedings from Monday requesting an injunction to allow firearms owner to use their equipment during the court proceedings. I felt it went pretty well, the lawyers and so called "RCMP" (SFSS) experts for the government are schills and the judge was in disagreement with them. She hasn't made a decision on the injunction, we await here decision. Here is an overview from the court proceedings from the CCFR.

Court talk begins at around 16:30 if anyone is interested.


I agree with your above statement cmcd, most firearm owners here in Canada aren't even part of a Firearm rights group. We have 2.2 million licensed firearm owners and probably less than 10% are a member of the 3 FA orgs combined that we have here in Canada, CCFR, NFA, CSSA. I have joined all of them including the NRA as I travel to AZ and enjoy the freedoms and rights in the USA., without them there is no us, and without us there is no them.

We must fight this cancel culture regime, for Trudope to say "Canada has no Culture/Identity is just plain "Blasphemy"
Thanks for posting that up.

Glad you’re able to support so many organizations. I do my best, I’m a member of the NFA for many years and a more recent member of the CCFR. I also support Dr. Mauser’s efforts at Justice for Gun Owners.

Like you say with 2.2 million of us it should be easy to get the government’s attention but it’s tough when you can scarcely get 100,000 signatures on a petition...that really pisses me off. And that is an understatement.

Also, sad to see the passing of Mr. Dennis R. Young...RIP sir. Every Canadian firearms owner owes this man a debt.

https://calibremag.ca/dennis-r-young-1947-2021-canadas-champion-of-firearms-rights-has-died/
 

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I copied a short excerpt from the iPolitics article about the UN ATT posted above.

“The Arms Trade Treaty sets a real global standard, and “The Arms Trade Treaty sets a real global standard, and helps prevent human rights abuses and protect lives. It is about protecting people from arms. It ensures countries effectively regulate the international trade of arms, so they are not used to support human rights abuses, gender-based violence, terrorism, international organized crime, or violations of international humanitarian law,” a June 21 Global Affairs background document says.

Though my owning firearms and that of 99.9% of private, legal ownership has absolutely no bearing on and nothing to do with anything written above. It will however, be and is the howling cry of the gun grabbers as they steal legally held, private property from law abiding citizens.

“It’s for the children, for the battered women and for the down-trodden wherever they be found...”

If they really meant it, they’d fix our broken social systems, healthcare and mental healthcare, fix our old folks homes and teach our children the truth in school instead of bloody fairytales about what they want the world to be. Even kids who are taught well at home still have an uphill battle against everything they are being sold these days.

But after many years I have concluded that they do not care. They tell lies to soft minded people that can’t bear to face the realities of this world.

And so they live in fantasy, an illusion that there is “someone” or “something”, a person or an organization “out there” that really understands what humanity needs. And, when “they” speak the beautiful lies that these truly pitiable people are so desperate to hear...they are hooked. Transfixed. Believers in nothing. Deceived. It sounds so good it must be true.

But it’s all lies. Many of those who author and promote such things, themselves have been manipulated and deceived. It is as we like to say...all about control. Nothing else.
 

1ABNDT

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Thanks for posting that up.

Glad you’re able to support so many organizations. I do my best, I’m a member of the NFA for many years and a more recent member of the CCFR. I also support Dr. Mauser’s efforts at Justice for Gun Owners.

Like you say with 2.2 million of us it should be easy to get the government’s attention but it’s tough when you can scarcely get 100,000 signatures on a petition...that really pisses me off. And that is an understatement.

Also, sad to see the passing of Mr. Dennis R. Young...RIP sir. Every Canadian firearms owner owes this man a debt.

https://calibremag.ca/dennis-r-young-1947-2021-canadas-champion-of-firearms-rights-has-died/


We all do what we can, better than doing nothing. I appreciate you and your support for the FA community, Dr. Mauser is a prominent figure for sure and the loss of Dennis R. Young really stings. Although his last ATIP exposes how the Coalition against Firearms / Polytechnique (Wendy Cukier, Heidi Rathjen, and Natalie Provost) were behind not only this recent gun grab but have been involved ever since the introduction of Bill C-68.



Young has discovered that the infamous 1995 firearms act, Bill C-68, was co-drafted by the Coalition for Gun Control, Canada’s leading anti-gun lobby group.


Again using access to information searches, Young has uncovered memos from Justice department bureaucrats detailing the close involvement of Coalition activists in drawing up the law and its subsequent regulations.

The memos are available on thegunblog.ca and detail the timelines of meetings and deadlines for submission of drafts.



C-68 contained a provision permitting the cabinet to declare whole categories of guns illegal and order their seizure without any debate in Parliament.


And it was this provision – still in effect – that was used May 1 of this year to outlaw as many as 400,000 guns in Canadians’ possession with the mere stroke of a cabinet pen.


This past May, the Trudeau government ordered the owners of nearly 9,500 popular models and variations of shotguns and rifles to stop buying and selling them, transporting them or even shooting them, or face prison.


That is thanks, in large part, to regulations written a quarter century ago by anti-gun zealots working with the federal Liberals.



https://thegunblog.ca/2020/10/15/go...aws-with-coalition-for-gun-control-1996-memo/




Internal memo obtained by Dennis Young shows ministry staff developed gun policy with hostile activists.



TheGunBlog.ca — Canadian government staff wrote the country’s firearm laws with the prohibitionist Coalition for Gun Control, according to internal notes obtained by Dennis Young.


A Department of Justice memorandum dated 14 Aug. 1996 to “All lawyers working on Firearms Act regulations” shows work was scheduled around the anti-gun activist coalition:


“Timetable: Due to the availability of CFO’s and the Coalition on Gun Control, the time frame will likely be extended,” said the memo.


Two lines later, in outlining the schedule: “Sept 12 – 13 meet Coalition on Gun Control (copies of drafts)”

The three-page message from Wendy Gordon, a lawyer for the justice department, doesn’t mention any other outsider involved in drafting the listed regulations.


Why It Matters


The memo provides new evidence of how Canada’s policy framework for hunters, sport shooters and firearm collectors was developed with people hostile to gun owners.


The biased regulations, initiated by the governing Liberal Party in the 1990s and still in force today, enabled the party to order its newest mass criminalization and confiscations on May 1 this year.



Seeking Context


The Department of Justice didn’t respond to questions today from TheGunBlog.ca about drafting legislation with activist groups in general, or working with the anti-gun coalition in particular.


An email to Gordon came back with an automatic reply saying she had retired. She recently worked in the House of Commons drafting legislation, according to her listing in the government directory and a January ad in the Ottawa Citizen. We couldn’t confirm if she is the same person who prepared the 1996 memo.


http://www.goc411.ca/84053/Wendy-Gordon



https://ottawacitizen.com/sponsored/top-employers/the-house-of-commons-is-full-of-hidden-jewels



‘Part of the Consultation Process’


John Dixon, a former Department of Justice employee, said in a 2003 opinion article in The Globe and Mail that the anti-gun coalition “had been part of the consultation process” for new legislation.


https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/opinion/a-gang-that-couldnt-shoot-straight/article748138/




Dennis Young ATIP


The 1996 memo is among almost 11,000 pages of internal government drafts, notes and emails published this week by Dennis Young, an Alberta-based independent researcher.


https://dennisryoung.ca/2020/10/13/20-years-of-bill-c-68-cabinet-secrets-released/
 

1ABNDT

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Dennis Young ATIP


The 1996 memo is among almost 11,000 pages of internal government drafts, notes and emails published this week by Dennis Young, an Alberta-based independent researcher.


https://dennisryoung.ca/2020/10/13/20-years-of-bill-c-68-cabinet-secrets-released/


BELOW ARE THE 27 LINKS TO 10,843 PAGES OF RECORDS:

356 Pages: www.dennisryoung.ca/wp-content/uploads/ZIP1Manual/00001-A0062443.pdf


306 Pages: www.dennisryoung.ca/wp-content/uploads/ZIP1Manual/00370-A0062445.pdf


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The former House of Commons staffer obtained the documents from the government under Access To Information and Privacy (ATIP) laws.
 

cmcdonald

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We all do what we can, better than doing nothing. I appreciate you and your support for the FA community, Dr. Mauser is a prominent figure for sure and the loss of Dennis R. Young really stings. Although his last ATIP exposes how the Coalition against Firearms / Polytechnique (Wendy Cukier, Heidi Rathjen, and Natalie Provost) were behind not only this recent gun grab but have been involved ever since the introduction of Bill C-68.



Young has discovered that the infamous 1995 firearms act, Bill C-68, was co-drafted by the Coalition for Gun Control, Canada’s leading anti-gun lobby group.


Again using access to information searches, Young has uncovered memos from Justice department bureaucrats detailing the close involvement of Coalition activists in drawing up the law and its subsequent regulations.

The memos are available on thegunblog.ca and detail the timelines of meetings and deadlines for submission of drafts.



C-68 contained a provision permitting the cabinet to declare whole categories of guns illegal and order their seizure without any debate in Parliament.


And it was this provision – still in effect – that was used May 1 of this year to outlaw as many as 400,000 guns in Canadians’ possession with the mere stroke of a cabinet pen.


This past May, the Trudeau government ordered the owners of nearly 9,500 popular models and variations of shotguns and rifles to stop buying and selling them, transporting them or even shooting them, or face prison.


That is thanks, in large part, to regulations written a quarter century ago by anti-gun zealots working with the federal Liberals.



https://thegunblog.ca/2020/10/15/go...aws-with-coalition-for-gun-control-1996-memo/




Internal memo obtained by Dennis Young shows ministry staff developed gun policy with hostile activists.



TheGunBlog.ca — Canadian government staff wrote the country’s firearm laws with the prohibitionist Coalition for Gun Control, according to internal notes obtained by Dennis Young.


A Department of Justice memorandum dated 14 Aug. 1996 to “All lawyers working on Firearms Act regulations” shows work was scheduled around the anti-gun activist coalition:


“Timetable: Due to the availability of CFO’s and the Coalition on Gun Control, the time frame will likely be extended,” said the memo.


Two lines later, in outlining the schedule: “Sept 12 – 13 meet Coalition on Gun Control (copies of drafts)”

The three-page message from Wendy Gordon, a lawyer for the justice department, doesn’t mention any other outsider involved in drafting the listed regulations.


Why It Matters


The memo provides new evidence of how Canada’s policy framework for hunters, sport shooters and firearm collectors was developed with people hostile to gun owners.


The biased regulations, initiated by the governing Liberal Party in the 1990s and still in force today, enabled the party to order its newest mass criminalization and confiscations on May 1 this year.



Seeking Context


The Department of Justice didn’t respond to questions today from TheGunBlog.ca about drafting legislation with activist groups in general, or working with the anti-gun coalition in particular.


An email to Gordon came back with an automatic reply saying she had retired. She recently worked in the House of Commons drafting legislation, according to her listing in the government directory and a January ad in the Ottawa Citizen. We couldn’t confirm if she is the same person who prepared the 1996 memo.


http://www.goc411.ca/84053/Wendy-Gordon



https://ottawacitizen.com/sponsored/top-employers/the-house-of-commons-is-full-of-hidden-jewels



‘Part of the Consultation Process’


John Dixon, a former Department of Justice employee, said in a 2003 opinion article in The Globe and Mail that the anti-gun coalition “had been part of the consultation process” for new legislation.


https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/opinion/a-gang-that-couldnt-shoot-straight/article748138/




Dennis Young ATIP


The 1996 memo is among almost 11,000 pages of internal government drafts, notes and emails published this week by Dennis Young, an Alberta-based independent researcher.


https://dennisryoung.ca/2020/10/13/20-years-of-bill-c-68-cabinet-secrets-released/
The older I get the more I realize just how un-democratic the Canadian system is. The PM has too much executive power and the bureaucracy runs amok. The fact that you can potentially criminalize millions of citizens with a pen stroke is the very anti-thesis of democracy.

This just further opens the door to partisan interference in governing fairly. As the government memos uncovered by Mr. Young prove, the last two Liberal governments have not only allowed but have courted firearm hostile “consultants” to help draft their plans. These consultants (Cukier, Rathjen, et al) are THE driving force behind the Canadian gun control lobby. What business do lobbyists...any lobbyists for that matter have in actually drafting laws??? If this doesn’t prove the left’s bias and overarching plan of sweeping civilian disarmament...I don’t know what would. Even Ralph Goodale’s firearms “advisory” committee that fell apart during Trudeau’s last term was stacked with anti-gunners. And, the vice-chair, Ms. Provost (Gun control group-Polysesuvient compatriot of Ms. Rathjen) who contrary to her agreement to participate continued to lobby the government for further gun control measures.

Clear violation, clear bias and clearly allowed and encouraged by the sitting Liberal government as they adopted many of the gun control lobby’s recommendations. Clear suppression by the media as this was hardly ever spoken of to my knowledge and only AFTER Trudeau appointee Lobbying Commisioner Nancy Bélanger cleared Ms. Provost of any wrong-doing and essentially rubber stamped her lobbying activities while on committee.

Polysesuvient claimed it was “victim” of a smear campaign! LOL! Hardly.

https://polysesouvient.ca/Documents...rCampaign_against_NathalieProvost_DOSSIER.pdf

What’s terrible is the “dossier” supposedly documenting a smear campaign is to my mind a collection of clear violations and exposing of obvious bias and the lengths that the anti’s will go to achieve their goals. Including not playing by the rules, lying and scheming to get their way. I guess it depends on what side of the fence you stand on but it’s clear evidence of the glaring government bias and where this was all headed from the start.

Sorry for another long winded post....:mornin:
 
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