Question Of The Month. January 2014
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Interesting question and one I've discussed with friends frequently.
It frustrates me that people refuse to see the reality of the end game that registration can and will eventually lead to. Malagamarksman's post is a perfect example.
I don't think I can put it any more eloquently than LTB so I will leave it at that.
It frustrates me that people refuse to see the reality of the end game that registration can and will eventually lead to. Malagamarksman's post is a perfect example.
I don't think I can put it any more eloquently than LTB so I will leave it at that.
Malagamarksman
.270 WIN
Re: Question Of The Month. Janruary 2014
Yes you got it in one, you really hit the nail on the head there "thinking that just a few laws here and there won't lead to anything".
Again not wishing to bore anybody with the nanny state example of the U.K but this is exactly what happpened there. Prior to 1987 there were no controls or Police registration over shotguns after the initial new point of sale.
In 1988 they introduced "further controls" over shotguns i.e Police licencing and registration by make, model, action type, calibre and serial number.....................WHY ?
So in the future when our lying self serving "politicians" decide to confiscate shotguns in the U.K on the pretence of making the public "safer" it will be easily achieveable for them.
You have to ask yourself what are their TRUE motives for disarming people, because how on God's earth can you be "safer" without owning a firearm ????
aksavanaman said:
Yes you got it in one, you really hit the nail on the head there "thinking that just a few laws here and there won't lead to anything".
Again not wishing to bore anybody with the nanny state example of the U.K but this is exactly what happpened there. Prior to 1987 there were no controls or Police registration over shotguns after the initial new point of sale.
In 1988 they introduced "further controls" over shotguns i.e Police licencing and registration by make, model, action type, calibre and serial number.....................WHY ?
So in the future when our lying self serving "politicians" decide to confiscate shotguns in the U.K on the pretence of making the public "safer" it will be easily achieveable for them.
You have to ask yourself what are their TRUE motives for disarming people, because how on God's earth can you be "safer" without owning a firearm ????
winddancergw
Copper BB
Never
Malagamarksman said:
Do not for a minute think your responses have been a bore. Please continue to post on this topic as you feel you can contribute. Your remarks and personal insight are appreciated.
Malagamarksman
.270 WIN
carbinemike said:
Thank you for that, so here goes.........................Again looking to the British example.
This is how they will do it to you in America poco a poco.......little by little. At first they will introduce some "sensible" controls a bit at a time always with the same excuse of "making the public safer".
Again a U.K history lesson. 1966 Shepherds Bush, London. Three unarmed Police Officers were murdered by two criminals with ILLEGALLY OWNED PISTOLS. War souvenirs from WW2 illegally brought into the U.K.
At that point in time there were no "controls" over SHOTGUNS whatsoever. They were freely sold bought and exchanged, there were no more controls over shotguns than screwdrivers. PISTOLS were already "controlled" by the 1920 Firearms act.
As a response to the appalling murders of the three Officers the then Home Secretary Roy Jenkins had the Firearms act amended and introduced the SHOTGUN CERTIFICATE (licence), you may well ask what on earth did SHOTGUNS have to do with these murders ?
NOTHING............. is the answer. It was just an excuse for Jenkins to tighten the screws on gun owners, "carpe diem" he seized the day. He was also was seen to do "SOMETHING" by the sheep, the non-thinkers.
Have all these "sensible controls and licencing measures" made the public safer in the U.K ?
NOT ONE IOTA !
I was born in the city of LIVERPOOL in the county of Merseyside. In the year 2012 Merseyside Police reported ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY SIX SHOOTINGS. Despite all the licencing and controls.
That is because all of the two legged predators don't take much notice of "controls".
One week in December 2012 in Merseyside two men were murdered with "banned" pistols in separate un-connected incidents, both were criminals they were no loss. However all the "Public safety" offered by politicians with their "sensible controls" is CRAP
My advice for what it's worth is register NOTHING voluntarily. REGISTRATION LEADS TO CONFISCATION.
Surrender NOTHING if you don't have to. Buy up all the magazines and spare parts to maintain what you have and keep it serviceable for the future.
I have been there, worn the tee shirt had a part in the film. Just speaking from personal experience FWIW.
ocinsomniac
.410
If the Democrats take control of the House and retain their majority in the Senate in the upcoming elections in November, I don't see how the gun control activists could possibly have their agenda refuted. The whole nation will look like NY/CA/IL/DC in terms of firearm restrictions. It will be a scary time for all of us law abiding gun aficionados.
I know a bunch of good ol' southern boys down here will not give them up without a fight if it comes down to it, and many local southern LEO's say they will not enforce any new Draconian gun legislation. We'll see when the time comes, if it does......
If the worst case scenario does go down, I can envision that a sudden rash of firearms will be "lost" or "stolen" :twisted:
OC
I know a bunch of good ol' southern boys down here will not give them up without a fight if it comes down to it, and many local southern LEO's say they will not enforce any new Draconian gun legislation. We'll see when the time comes, if it does......
If the worst case scenario does go down, I can envision that a sudden rash of firearms will be "lost" or "stolen" :twisted:
OC
Being a granite stater live free or die is getting tougher to live by around here! We havent dealt with all the other crap that other states have but that can change over night it seems! Hope we retain our freedoms if the day comes Im shipping my guns out!
Re: Question Of The Month. Janruary 2014
First, let me say what has already been said. Your, as well as everyone on MO, opinion is welcomed. Sometimes we (I included) get tunnel vision feeding off each other. We all agree that the way things are moving are not the way we want them to move. Your words should be pasted to every gun owners computer screen regardless if they shoot the latest hi-tech AR platform or a $12,000 over/under skeet gun.
As for the "motives" of our elected "officials"...we stand in their way of being able to completely control all the citizens of this country. But they have a flaw in their so-called plan...it is the MILLIONS of gun owners who will not disarm. The many that do will still leave MILLIONS that do not. Given the US military numbers of around 1-2 million strong with maybe another million police (many who will not fire on their neighbors), there are approx. 14 million registered hunters in the country. Add another 10-20 million non-hunters who have firearms. WE ARE A FORMIDABLE ARMY of our own. If we stick together. That is the problem...there are too many "that won't happen to me" types.
The US has never been one to learn from history. We have proved that time and time again. Our "leaders" has a utopian vision and it clouds their judgment everyday. Just listen to them speak. We are THE obstacle to them. And God help us, we will prevail.
Malagamarksman said:
First, let me say what has already been said. Your, as well as everyone on MO, opinion is welcomed. Sometimes we (I included) get tunnel vision feeding off each other. We all agree that the way things are moving are not the way we want them to move. Your words should be pasted to every gun owners computer screen regardless if they shoot the latest hi-tech AR platform or a $12,000 over/under skeet gun.
As for the "motives" of our elected "officials"...we stand in their way of being able to completely control all the citizens of this country. But they have a flaw in their so-called plan...it is the MILLIONS of gun owners who will not disarm. The many that do will still leave MILLIONS that do not. Given the US military numbers of around 1-2 million strong with maybe another million police (many who will not fire on their neighbors), there are approx. 14 million registered hunters in the country. Add another 10-20 million non-hunters who have firearms. WE ARE A FORMIDABLE ARMY of our own. If we stick together. That is the problem...there are too many "that won't happen to me" types.
The US has never been one to learn from history. We have proved that time and time again. Our "leaders" has a utopian vision and it clouds their judgment everyday. Just listen to them speak. We are THE obstacle to them. And God help us, we will prevail.
Malagamarksman
.270 WIN
"WE ARE A FORMIDABLE ARMY of our own. If we stick together. That is the problem...there are too many "that won't happen to me" types."
You got that right. These type of people in their false belief "I'm allright Jack" are going to be a big problem when the SHTF.
I remember getting into it with some idiot once. He and group of buddies used to shoot (note past tense) Police pistol with their light springed revolvers firing .38 wadcutters with 2.7 grains of bullseye.
I was an IPSC shooter with my .38 super Para Ordnance. We knew that Blair had something in store for gun owners, but exactly what we didn't know at the time.
This idiot at a club meeting proclaimed "Oh well, they'll just get rid of the semi automatics. WE will be allright with OUR revolvers".
What a moron how wrong he was.
The CPSA Clay Pidgeon Shooters Association of Great Britain refused point blank to be involved in any political lobbying of Blair's government as the "New Firearms control measures did not effect their members or shotgun ownership".
WRONG.............all legally owned shotguns are now registered in Police databases by serial number make, calibre and action type. Just ripe and ready for confiscation when they the politicians get the excuse they want.
The "it won't happen to me" types are part of the divide and conquer plan of our elected "officials"
You got that right. These type of people in their false belief "I'm allright Jack" are going to be a big problem when the SHTF.
I remember getting into it with some idiot once. He and group of buddies used to shoot (note past tense) Police pistol with their light springed revolvers firing .38 wadcutters with 2.7 grains of bullseye.
I was an IPSC shooter with my .38 super Para Ordnance. We knew that Blair had something in store for gun owners, but exactly what we didn't know at the time.
This idiot at a club meeting proclaimed "Oh well, they'll just get rid of the semi automatics. WE will be allright with OUR revolvers".
What a moron how wrong he was.
The CPSA Clay Pidgeon Shooters Association of Great Britain refused point blank to be involved in any political lobbying of Blair's government as the "New Firearms control measures did not effect their members or shotgun ownership".
WRONG.............all legally owned shotguns are now registered in Police databases by serial number make, calibre and action type. Just ripe and ready for confiscation when they the politicians get the excuse they want.
The "it won't happen to me" types are part of the divide and conquer plan of our elected "officials"
, I will be ok. Ok, honestly, I hope and pray none of us ever have to worry about this. If the day does come I hope I am not the only one who resists...I will need a friend or two in the big house. 
Certainly not willingly. Another thought PROVOKING question of the month. Makes one think. Stash some elsewhere for another time, another generation? Complete with ammo, parts, and cleaning supplies. A couple of sacrificial firearms? Are you young or older? Do you watch & see the frequent political shenanigans. Can't win in a head to head. And yes, they always are incremental.
jeffy56 said:
That is what the powers-that-be want us to believe. Individually, you are right. Collectively, we are bigger than any army in the world (numbers wise). If we all could get our collective fecal matter together there would be no question who would win...maybe without a single shot.
Malagamarksman
.270 WIN
This is a direct copy and paste from the CCDL website...........
"Time Is Running Short for Registration
The deadline is approaching to register certain firearms and to declare magazines. As of January 1st, if your forms have not been filled out and submitted for newly redefined "Assault Weapons" and magazines, you will no longer be able to legally own or possess them in Connecticut.
If you wish to be in compliance you can find all of the forms needed here."
WARNING !!!!!!!
Do so as per the above AT YOUR PERIL.
Registration leads to confiscation.
Read what happened to me. You have been warned.
"Time Is Running Short for Registration
The deadline is approaching to register certain firearms and to declare magazines. As of January 1st, if your forms have not been filled out and submitted for newly redefined "Assault Weapons" and magazines, you will no longer be able to legally own or possess them in Connecticut.
If you wish to be in compliance you can find all of the forms needed here."
WARNING !!!!!!!
Do so as per the above AT YOUR PERIL.
Registration leads to confiscation.
Read what happened to me. You have been warned.
I was in the Army, and have spoken to many British and Scottish soldiers about this issue. All said that their government simply lies about "gun violence" statistics. Every UK citizen I've ever spoken to in person about this issue says the same thing: Crimes in general, and especially crimes where firearms were used, skyrocketed after they implemented forced gun control. You won't hear this from UK Liberals or government officials, only from UK citizens. Statistics are usually manipulated by those who collect them to match their agenda. There is usually no motivation for a group to keep statistics in order to simply learn the facts.
I have lost my firearms once. They were all stolen on a Christmas Eve in 1979 after we had moved into a new house, before we had installed a safe or thought to hide the guns. We lost about $15,000 worth of firearms, family jewelry, old coins, and all our Christmas presents. One was an early prototype .22 pump, only 7 were made and at one time 3 of those were in my family. Or that was according to my step-grandfather who was related to the designer of the gun. Lock up your guns! Or better yet, hide them well, outside of the house. You can get creative. I keep 3 guns in the house in a safe and 2 loaded and ready for home defense. There are several more hidden where it would take a week for anyone to find them and if the house burned I'd still have them.
I have lost my firearms once. They were all stolen on a Christmas Eve in 1979 after we had moved into a new house, before we had installed a safe or thought to hide the guns. We lost about $15,000 worth of firearms, family jewelry, old coins, and all our Christmas presents. One was an early prototype .22 pump, only 7 were made and at one time 3 of those were in my family. Or that was according to my step-grandfather who was related to the designer of the gun. Lock up your guns! Or better yet, hide them well, outside of the house. You can get creative. I keep 3 guns in the house in a safe and 2 loaded and ready for home defense. There are several more hidden where it would take a week for anyone to find them and if the house burned I'd still have them.